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Originally Posted by Mike L
Stonetools,
I hesitate to criticise other people's knowledge of history (being of above-average ignorance myself). But you're some way off the mark in this case.
The Wars of the Roses was an English affair, and had nothing to do with Scotland. Edward I was an English king. Although it's true there were many conflicts between the English (the Anglo Saxons to which you refer) and the Scots, these were not civil wars in any sense of the word.
When I said that our history seemed to be one long civil war, I was thinking first of the on-going fighting between the Picts, Gaels, Scots, etc; then between the many claimants to the Scottish throne following the death of Alexander III in 1286; between Protestant and Catholic factions in later centuries; and finally between Jacobites and Hanoverians in the 18th Century.
By the way, I believe that James VI was the first Scottish monarch to die of natual causes. That was as late as 1625.
Mike
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You're right on your history. We don't disagree : we just misunderstand due to my unclear explanations.
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The Wars of the Roses was a ( mostly)internal English affair, although France played a part and benefitted (English possessions in France were lost during the conflict).
The varios wars England fought against Scotland (and Ireland and Wales) have been interpreted by some as a long campaign of agression by an Anglo-Saxon center based in England against a Celtic fringe living in those areas- a campaign that lasted to the Jacobite rebellion and maybe to Irish independence. Its a hotly contested theory. See
'HERE for a declaration that the Celts " will rise again".
You are right that the Celts (including those in Scotland ) have historically fought among themselves.