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Originally Posted by HansTWN
Well, let us take services. You get on a bus and don't pay. You sneak into a movie theater and you don't pay. The bus would drive even if you are not on it, the movie would play anyway. So, by your logic, you wouldn't have taken anything. And the baker sure as hell wouldn't let you watch if he had any reason to believe you would copy his bread, by the way.
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First of all, sneaking into a movie theater is covered both by trespassing laws and by copyright law (i.e., the terms for seeing the movie require you to buy a ticket).
As for the bus, the bus may drive, but it will require marginally more energy to get where it is going if you sneak on the bus. In other words, you are stealing energy from the bus.. and your weight will also increase wear and tear on the bus.
I never said the baker would let me watch him bake bread. My point was predicated on the baker letting me watch him. Once he does, provided he has not found a way to pantent his recipe or process of making bread, I am free to duplicate it from a legal stand point.
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Yes, we have to change with digital items. We have to change our attitudes. What copyright grants is the exclusive right to make copies. You can make a copy --- but that copy is illegal, it shouldn't be allowed to exist (fair use exceptions aside). I think this "I take one but they still have the original left" argument is an excuse. You take one and you wind up with something illegal on your hands. It is much easier to take than physical items, but for the "taker" it is the result is the same. Only the impact on the other side is different.
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I never said people should be able to copy material that is under copyright. I just believe that any argument that is predicated on treating it like regular property is fundamentally flawed. The protections provided to intellectual property are fundamentally different than the protections provided to real property and they are different because the nature of the property is different.
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Bill