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Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward
(I think your biases are showing...)
More seriously...Did the rate of hits to "pirate" sites go down after Hadopi? Answer - yes, dramatically. That's a fact. Some may have the opinion that that is good, others that that may be bad. I am voicing no opinion, merely observing a fact.
Second fact. Sales did not go up during the same period. Once again, that's a fact. Once again, I'm voicing no opinion, merely obsering a fact. I did not have these facts before I read the article.
Now I can evaluate my opinions with more facts than I had. I can also evaluate other opinions based on more facts. I don't see how this is bad. It might change my opinions, based on experimental tests. Because that is what France has done, effectively, is run a test on their populace. Does more rigorous legal sanctions reduce "piracy" as they drafters defined it? Does it cause former "pirates" to purchase instead of "pirating"? After a year, there are now numbers to check with. In 5 years there will be more rigorous numbers to work with (longer baseline). I don't see any reason to throw out the numbers because I don't like the source. I'll throw them out if I can find a more reliable source (and the original number prove to be wrong), but not until then...
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Replace the word "pirate" sites with "torrent" sites, and you may be right. BUT.... the forums with private links have boomed, and if you know where to look (all in french sites indeed), you will find everywhere on "la toile" as we call it perfect guides of how to cover tracks. Believe me, again, anybody who wants to download knows where to go. So no, piracy has not gone down in France. Re-read Asterix, you'll get the feeling.
This whole hadopi/sales thema was the subject of a very entertaining dinner with friends last week. Anecdotic to you maybe, but considering one of the guests was very involved in the Hadopi project at first and is a well known figure in the french movie business, while another owns one of these forums, well, it was, as I said, very entertaining.
And we all agreed that everyone we know (including some of us) downloads legally, and illegally, and still goes to the movies if they feel the movie is worth it. Have a look at the movies in 2011 showing in France, they all were mediocre to rubbish. And let's not go into a discussion about "the untouchables" and "the artist"...The same for music btw. Au royaume des aveugles les borgnes sont rois !!! So why should sales go up ????
I don't see a correlation between sales and piracy, because sadly for Hadopi, there is none.
See, french me is getting all worked up again......Time to let go. I wish you a very interesting discussion, but the hypothesis used to build the issue tree is wrong.