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Old 11-12-2011, 04:58 AM   #11
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Of course not, those that mindlessly ape Apple's designs are just as much to blame. But it is Apple who started this race to the bottom (meaning removing valuable features).
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It is sad how we users of non Apple devices have to pay the price for so many of Apple's decisions (no exchangeable batteries, no ports, no expansion slots, to name just a few).
The fact you feel that Apple's products, and any company that is "aping them" are somehow to blame for making you, as a non-Apple product user, "pay the price", whatever that is, is what is sad.

Companies like Amazon, B&N (with the Nook Color & Tablet) and Nokia (with their gorgeous Win Phone 7 Lumia) are not "mindlessly aping" Apple by not providing removable batteries, ports, or slots -they are making individual design decisions for their own products-that happen to be design decisions you don't agree with.

I don't even see how "we users of non-Apple devices" have to pay any price for Apple's decisions.

Android, RIM & MS combined make up the majority of smartphones sold today, and the majority of Android, RIM & MS phones offer removable batteries and/or storage. Motorola's new RAZR will not have a removable battery; Samsung's new Nexus Prime will. Nokia's Win Phone 7 Lumia won't have a removable battery or additional storage, HTC's Win Phone 7 Mozart 7 does. RIM's Blackberries all come with both.

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This is a very clear case where Apple made some design choices to reduce manufacturing costs which clearly reduces the functionality of the phone for every user. And they get away with it, which is fine for the Apple crowd.
No one is "getting away" with anything, and it's not just the "Apple crowd" that is fine with it.

In phones, Apple made some design choices to go with non-replaceable batteries, similar to what Motorola just did with their new RAZR, HTC did with their Radar 4G, Nokia did with their new Lumia etc.
In tablets, Apple made some design choices to go with non-replaceable batteries, as did HTC, Motorola, Samsung, HP, and RIM.
In e-Readers, Sony made some design choices to go with non-replaceable batteries, as did Amazon, B&N, and Kobo.

Apple users, Amazon users, B&N users, Motorola users, Nokia users, HTC users; they all understand the issues and tradeoffs with non-removable batteries before they buy (or don't buy) their products. This isn't about something being "fine" with just the "Apple crowd"-there are other crowds who seem fine with it as well. It isn't some conspiracy or dirty little secret-it is part of the whole series of benefits/ tradeoffs that every company and every product goes through.


And as far as removable storage is concerned-the Kindle Fire and Nook Tablet are great examples of two smart companies taking opposite approaches to that very issue. It has spurred spirited debate here on MR. And I'm sure if users make it clear (with their dollars) which approach is appropriate for that market, the companies will respond accordingly.

And hopefully no one is going to blame Apple for whichever approach comes out on top. But I'm not betting on it. :P
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