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Originally Posted by stonetools
Pretty much a corollary of putting down Apple's success to "brilliant marketing" is that customers are too dumb to see through such "brilliant marketing". You may have not meant that Apple customers were dumb, but that's the implication.
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Complete and utter rubbish. I'm sure you agree with me that Apple's marketing is brilliant. Neither you nor I are calling Apple's customers sheep in stating that.
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Originally Posted by stonetools
When your wife bought her Rio, it was up to her to find new content. She could depend on her techie hubby to rip CDs to her Rio and to find digital music stores online, of course.
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No, she did not need me at all. She had absolutely no trouble doing it herself. You seem to think that this is a hard thing to do outside of iTunes. It is not.
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Originally Posted by stonetools
It is really the Apple ecosystem that is driving Apple's profits now. Apple may be "brilliantly marketing" the benefits of being in that ecosystem: but for many people, those benefits are real.
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And I never implied that those benefits were not real.
If you go back and read what was actually said you'll see that I was questioning the contention that non-Apple products were 'just for geeks' since the features that the 'average user' was likely to be concerned with (battery life, storage capacity, sound quality) were better in the competing products.
I proposed that brilliant marketing was a major part of the reason that the competitors couldn't get a real foot in the door. You've countered with extremely valid points about the head start with iPod adoption and the strong ecosystem. That's all fine.
But please don't attack me for perceived slights against Apple customers that simply don't exist in my posts.
Graham