[Andrew H.]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Again, wrong. So why are you bothering to try to tell me that AZW/Mobipocket is #1 world wide. It's not. It's ePub.

Wrong. Put up or shut up.

Originally Posted by JSWolf

That article only speaks of the US. That in no way is global. There are more readers sold outside that us that support ePub then Kindles. So given all the readers world wide that support ePub, that would make ePub the format.

What part of:

This equates to a value of more $900 million and was largely attributable to growth in the U.S. region, which represented more than 80 percent of global revenues in 2010.

don't you understand?

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Wake up and see that all you are doing is looking just inside the US. If you took into account the entire world, you would see that ePub is the format outside the US. That combined with the US makes ePub overall the #1 format. Why do you persist in thinking eBooks don't exist outside the US?

Everyone else is the entire world that's not Amazon.

Learn to read. As was posted in the link, the US accounts for over 80% of global revenues.

Originally Posted by Phogg

You admit that neither you nor your source even attempted in any way shape or form to obtain data from these regions.



I called you, and by extension your source, on asserting that primarily US data equates to world data. Misleading at best and an intentional lie to manipulate the marketing at worst.

Now you insist that if I dont have the data myself you have to be allowed to claim English speaking data really could be world data.

Not gonna happen. The claim you posted was fraudulent.


You and they need to simply say "as of this date within the US, Canada, Britain, and Australia" rather than worldwide when that is the only data you are looking at.

But that's *not* the only data I'm looking at. I went to the trouble of providing a link; you should at least go to the trouble of reading it.

The article also discusses Italy, Spain, France, and Germany, and notes that *Western Europe* (which includes many other non-English speaking countries, btw) has only 10% of the market.

I don't know whether the article considers areas within the former eastern bloc; it doesn't mention them specifically. But this is also pretty much a non-issue - even if the eastern bloc sold as many e-books as western Europe (which I very much doubt), the US would go from having "over 80% of the e-book market" to having almost 80% of the e-book market. Which doesn't change the underlying point one bit.

And the thing is, if you even followed this topic minimally, you would not be surprised by this. E-book sales as a percentage of total book sales in the US are huge - in all of 2010, e-books made up 9% of all books sales; thus far in 2011 e-books are almost 30% of total books sales in the US.

Compare this to other countries. In France, e-books make up .5% of total sales. In Germany, less than 1%. (Both markets are much smaller than the US market as well). In Italy, e-books are something like .3% of the market, at most. Aside from the UK, numbers are comparable or worse for the rest of Europe.

The situation in Europe is comparable to the situation in the US before the Kindle (and then Nook) were sold - and probably for the same reason - the absence of any compelling e-book store. (And given price maintenance agreements in most of Europe, it's not clear how quickly this will change).