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Old 03-18-2008, 08:15 AM   #90
Krystian Galaj
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The only thing that gratifies me out of this thread is that it is providing a clarification of PD and DRM for those who do not know how it works. The rest of it, unfortunately, is all about seeking rationalizations and justification for taking something that wasn't intended for you.
Or just observing certain facts, when you don't feel guilty about taking something that wasn't intended for you.

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Our societies are based on commonly-accepted understandings, such as the concept of the sanctity of property (you know: Thou Shalt Not Steal?). The fact that you can steal something easily, or that you know you won't get caught, is no justification for stealing it. If you can get it fairly, get it. If you cannot... go without. We're talking about books, not food.
I don't agree with the concept of society based on anything as a whole. People, individuals, come onto the world, grow, look around, and learn what they can, and cannot do in current state of society, or rather decide that the society's reaction to certain actions of theirs is bad enough not to undertake the action - and then they do want they want within those limits. They in turn determine the views of next generations, and society evolves. In 50 years cannibalism may well be fashionable, if it evolves that way.

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As long as there's a "darknet," there will be publishers who will not want to release titles into it. That will not help the publishing industry, nor will it help the consumer. So it's worth while to play "by the rules" and shun the darknets, thereby encouraging e-book publishers to give us more legal books.
Darknet grows, and the ways for the end-user to get to ebooks multiply, and it gets easier and easier to find any text you seek. I see two possible futures.

One is that the publishers make a system (or systems) that will give the people easier access to texts better put together than there are on Darknet soon, and this system will grow into something people become accustomed to, like Windows or iTunes.

The other is that is won't happen - then next generation will know the Net well enough so everybody will be able to access the texts without any problems, enough good search engines and programs will be made, freeware, that it'll be easy to access any title by simply writing it, like on Google, and everyone's acceptance of that will grow to the point when the laws will observe the reality and adjust to it. Then no one will pay any money to make ebooks - or paper books.

I understand your views originate from living where you live, in a kind of society you live in, observing many good examples of moral people. I spent all of my life in a country which knew no copyright law, and though now it's been introduced in law, it's only laughed off by people I know here. For years the only way to access any content in English - which was always very desirable - was to buy it from pirates, or somehow get an access to Internet and contacts there. It's now very easy to get everything on the Net, and pirates make money selling Windows and games only to people who didn't learn to use the Net here, and the only places you buy the software for are the legal businesses which may come under inspection by the state. And then you usually only buy the sticker with serial number, as it's cheaper, and get the software yourself, with eMule. As I know how it works here, I also know that most of the world has it worse with morals, if they ever knew any Western philosophy, and the Net access is getting better for them as well. Even if not a single person in USA or UK ever pirates a book, they'll all be available the day they come out, for people in many other countries, who thank the pirates for the time they spent on delivering the goods, on forums and irc channels made just for that.

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Sure, it's not a perfect system. Sure, it means waiting seemingly forever for some books, and maybe literally forever for others. But in this case, it's better than the illegal alternative: A continued stifling of the e-book market thanks to the operation of scofflaws.
When it's made legal, I don't expect you'll start using the Darknet though...
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