08-15-2010, 04:18 PM
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Edge User
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I apologize upfront for the long post and for perhaps taking us off-topic again, but I felt the nature of some earlier posts warranted a response.
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Originally Posted by Chubulor
If all users can do is ask nicely for vendors to live up to their obligations under the GPL, then the GPL is little more than non-absorbent toilet paper. It sounds like people have been asking nicely for a while now, and there's only been a serious response when hardball started being played. Business people understand there's a time for hardball as well. And your comparing developers who demand compliance with the GPL to toddlers whining for candy is what's way the heck off the mark.
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FTR, I didn’t compare developers wanting the release of the GPL code to toddlers whining for candy. I compared the childish tones and language of the requests on this forum with toddlers throwing temper tantrums. Most of us are only seeing one side of the argument: people using rude and sometimes offensive language when talking about not getting the source code. Not being privy to the other side of the conversation, the childish language and threats look, well, childish and threatening--even to non-developers who want the source code released, a group that would include me. Perhaps enTourage should consider revealing the other side of the conversation, but who wants to start a serious conversation with people who threaten you publicly? Only one person has asked nicely (robot), not including jcase and assuming he asked nicely.
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Originally Posted by jcase
Sheri, Demanding a company comply with the GPL license is not blackmail. Demanding money for GPL based products without releasing code is theft/fraud. Not understanding that is the mark of an amateur, and an ignorant (uneducated in general; lacking knowledge or sophistication) person....Justin
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Justin, being an exceptionally well-educated person, I understand that noncompliance with the GPL is both illegal and not very nice. I also know a temper tantrum when I see one. "Demanding" anything in this context is childish. Serious professionals get what they want without having to "demand" it on a forum operated by the people to whom they're making demands! They negotiate for it (with a lawyer if necessary) or they walk away and create something better. I understand that you shouldn't have to demand it, but not being able to grasp that someone can support your goal but disagree with your means of attaining it is the “mark of an amateur, and an ignorant (uneducated in general; lacking knowledge or sophistication) person.
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Originally Posted by shinkamui
Someone please quote where Justin asked for ANY money.
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Justin mentioned earlier, perhaps not in this thread, that he hoped enTourage would release the source code soon because developing apps is his business. I assumed that he doesn't provide his services entirely for free.
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Originally Posted by Chubulor
There's no problem with employees posting, but there is a problem with them not being explicitly labeled as such.
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Being in the business of writing social media policies (FTR, I am not an enTourage employee and I have no idea whether walt256 is), I couldn't agree more with this post. If enTourage doesn’t already have a social media policy, now would be a good time to write one or include a clause about employees always disclosing their affiliation with the company--even when they post outside of their official company role and on their private time—and being clear that they’re voicing their own opinions.
Justin, many companies, because of the proprietary nature of their product, understandably ban employees from participating in social media. So even for employees who want to participate, many companies consider it a fire-able offense.
Last edited by NiaTrue; 08-15-2010 at 05:03 PM.
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