The Apple forums are controlled by Apple and are designed for fanboys and fangirls to pat Apple on the back and to spread the Jobsonian propoganda. They think the Cosmos will come to a screeching halt if anyone criticizes Herr Jobs or Apple. They are not above editing critical posts are baning those who ask legitimate questions that are not approved of by the Propoganda Ministry. I wouldn't waste any time with the Apple "isn't Jobs wonderful" forums. They rarely impart any truth or help.