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Originally Posted by mrkai
No. You don't.
Copyright, and the infringement thereof, are legal principles. Making a legal arguement would then make sense.
If it is in a box, in physical form, then taking that copy without paying for it is stealing. From the retailer that bought it. Not from the publisher, or anyone else.
Then I would suggest to you that you learn the difference between property theft and copyright violation.
As I write software for a living, I'll put it this way:
Its not "OK" but it is not theft. If I sell a copy of the software to a retailer...I've already been paid...a fraction of the MSRP.
If someone aquires a copy of my app, say a copy, from someone else that paid for it, they have NOT STOLEN ANYTHING FROM ME. I have everything I had BEFORE they got it.
What I don't have, is their money. Notice I said "their money"...until they give it to me, it is still their money. When they give that money to me, they no longer have that money anymore.
If someone is running a copy of my app that they got from wherever...they didn't get it from my stockpile. I have lost noting I did not have.
All of the above is emotionalism, and pure fallacy.
1. What does humanity have to do with it?
2. No one selling anything on the open market has a "right" to customers. People buy the product if they wish. Anything else is communism.
3. If you enter someone' property and remove anything from their property, yes, that is theft. If you do a "cyber break-in" it is defined similar to a "B & E" because you gained access to a physical system belonging to the victim w/o permission.
4. What if it is info for sale? Do they still have it to sell? Not. Theft. Info. Still. There. What Part. Do. You. Not. Understand?  |
1. The title of this post is "interesting NY times on copyright morality." Legal arguments can not and should not be debated here. I have said that from the beginning. It's continuously ignored by you and these other yahoos who claim anything related to someone losing something real must happen before it's stolen. I suppose someone stealing your checkbook is legal if you catch them before they use it.
2. As a software developer, your company is probably a corporation, a legal entity. If I did want to argue the legality, which I don't, theft of a program stops profits to shareholders and makes a difference to them, just as it would to everyone in a publishing arena. Just because it may not be money directly taken from your pocket doesn't mean it's not theft. Where do you think the money that they pay you with comes from? Maybe from profits, which are impacted through piracy.? Try making that argument in court and see it takes more than 20 minutes to throw you in jail.
3. Something has to be unusable to me before its stolen from me? I'm sure victims of identity theft would glad to hear that. If some one stole my Identity would I cease to exist? When I write a book, and you get it without paying for it, that doesn't impact my royalties?
The rest of your arguments are absolutely stupid, and I suggest you look at the title of the thread and concern yourself with where is says "Legally, I'm not stealing, because...". Your involvement in this thread amounts to one big straw man argument. You've rebutted arguments concerning the morality of copyrights with the legal definitions and whether it's really stealing. A retarded monkey could see that it is, and you are just throwing out justifications for doing it.
Learn to argue.