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Originally Posted by Man Eating Duck

It's not our opinion, it's the obvious opinion of knowledgeable and educated people like the ones who decided that it's ok to let you bring a phone on the plane at all, instead of stopping you at the security checkpoint.

Is that the same people who you claim are misguided when they insist that you turn off the devices?

It's also the opinion of the pilot who wrote this article:

Last time I checked, electronic engineering qualifications weren't a requirement for pilots, so I'm not sure why a pilot's opinion on this should be particularly relevant.

For instance, are there any empirical studies of actual incidents indicating that the risk of fatal malfunctions have increased after cell phones became ubiquitous? No? Why not? (Number of malfunctions / flights) should have increased if phones had any significant effect.

There are plenty of instances of malfunctions which have been classified as possibly due to PEDs. There are technically plausible mechanisms for such effects to take place. Seems to me that's enough reason to be cautious.

Why is the bar low? I stated an observation about what the safety people actually enforce, and, based on that, what I think they believe about the risk. Why is not their actions conclusive evidence of *what they think*?

As I said, these are the same people who ask you to turn off the devices. You can't cherry-pick!

I don't think we're being very productive here, we'll never agree anyway. It's fine with me if we just agree to let it lie

Letting it lie is fine with me.

/JB