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Worldwalker · 12-02-2010, 06:17 PM

Eowyn, there's one big thing you don't understand:

Eowyn's view: The majority of calibre users are unhappy with it, and would like it to work entirely differently, and a small minority wants to use it the way it is.

Everyone else's view: The majority of calibre users are happy with it, and wants to use it the way it is, and a small minority would like it to work entirely differently.

You see yourself as part of a majority, and those people who disagree with you as some kind of minority with a stranglehold on calibre development, keeping you from getting what you want. The numbers and the whole principle of open-source development say you're wrong.

You came in here and started by insulting people -- "Any way I could get calibre usable?" You insisted you were right and everyone else, especially those poor, deluded fools who think calibre is doing what they want, was wrong. You insulted the devs, you insulted the thread participants, and you insulted a million or more happy calibre users. You didn't ask; you made demands. Rude demands. Yet when anyone has suggested that you actually do the work you want yourself, you've squirmed like a worm on a hook and come up with endless reasons why someone else should do the work for you.

It doesn't work that way. Everyone else here is happy with calibre being a book organizer. You want to turn it into a file organizer. Fine, if that's what you want, then freaking code it. If you can't or won't code it, don't want to pay a coder-for-hire for it, and can't get anyone here interested in doing it (not surprising, after the things you've said to them), then you're out of luck. Nobody in this forum, nobody anywhere, has an obligation to do what you demand just because you want them to, and the sooner you realize that, the better off everyone will be.

There are ways for you to do exactly what you want with calibre as it stands. These have been explained to you. You have chosen to reject those techniques and continue demanding that calibre be rewritten into a file manager because you want it to be one. By the way, when you use the non-zero number of people wanting similar changes as "proof" you're right, that number remains small enough to count on my fingers. Compared to the number of happy calibre users in this forum (let alone anywhere else) it's minuscule.

If you want to get some results, either apologize to the participants in this thread (you can explicitly leave me out if you'd like) and ask, not demand, what you want, or go somewhere else that your attitude is appreciated. I have never seen anyone get ripped into the way you have been, and I'm including the people who started with some form of "Calibre is junk and Kovid doesn't know what he's doing".

Oh, and as for your whining that people want calibre exactly like it was "before", whenever that was: Someone who started using calibre when I did, last spring, wouldn't recognize the program today. Saved searches, user-defined columns, flagging flies on devices, movable libraries, restrictions, and hundreds of other things -- read the changelog for details -- have been added since then. Notice that it still hasn't reached 1.0. Calibre is very much a project in development, and its users embrace change more than the users of pretty much any program I've ever seen. All of those changes have been suggested by users (I'm the one who pushed for tag removal, for instance) and they have all been either coded by the people who suggested them, or added to the queue for the devs to get to when they wanted them.

But there is a difference, a big difference, a @#$*@# huge difference, between wanting a program improved and wanting it turned into another kind of program entirely. Calibre is a book manager. People are happy with calibre being a book manager. They all have file managers. They don't want to turn a good book manager into a half-assed file manager, and that's what dropping development on all the things that matter and turning their efforts to changing calibre into a file manager will do.

You think otherwise? You think calibre can be a file manager and a book manager at the same time?

Then PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

12-02-2010, 06:17 PM	#140
Worldwalker Curmudgeon Posts: 3,085 Karma: 722357 Join Date: Feb 2010 Device: PRS-505	Eowyn, there's one big thing you don't understand: Eowyn's view: The majority of calibre users are unhappy with it, and would like it to work entirely differently, and a small minority wants to use it the way it is. Everyone else's view: The majority of calibre users are happy with it, and wants to use it the way it is, and a small minority would like it to work entirely differently. You see yourself as part of a majority, and those people who disagree with you as some kind of minority with a stranglehold on calibre development, keeping you from getting what you want. The numbers and the whole principle of open-source development say you're wrong. You came in here and started by insulting people -- "Any way I could get calibre usable?" You insisted you were right and everyone else, especially those poor, deluded fools who think calibre is doing what they want, was wrong. You insulted the devs, you insulted the thread participants, and you insulted a million or more happy calibre users. You didn't ask; you made demands. Rude demands. Yet when anyone has suggested that you actually do the work you want yourself, you've squirmed like a worm on a hook and come up with endless reasons why someone else should do the work for you. It doesn't work that way. Everyone else here is happy with calibre being a book organizer. You want to turn it into a file organizer. Fine, if that's what you want, then freaking code it. If you can't or won't code it, don't want to pay a coder-for-hire for it, and can't get anyone here interested in doing it (not surprising, after the things you've said to them), then you're out of luck. Nobody in this forum, nobody anywhere, has an obligation to do what you demand just because you want them to, and the sooner you realize that, the better off everyone will be. There are ways for you to do exactly what you want with calibre as it stands. These have been explained to you. You have chosen to reject those techniques and continue demanding that calibre be rewritten into a file manager because you want it to be one. By the way, when you use the non-zero number of people wanting similar changes as "proof" you're right, that number remains small enough to count on my fingers. Compared to the number of happy calibre users in this forum (let alone anywhere else) it's minuscule. If you want to get some results, either apologize to the participants in this thread (you can explicitly leave me out if you'd like) and ask, not demand, what you want, or go somewhere else that your attitude is appreciated. I have never seen anyone get ripped into the way you have been, and I'm including the people who started with some form of "Calibre is junk and Kovid doesn't know what he's doing". Oh, and as for your whining that people want calibre exactly like it was "before", whenever that was: Someone who started using calibre when I did, last spring, wouldn't recognize the program today. Saved searches, user-defined columns, flagging flies on devices, movable libraries, restrictions, and hundreds of other things -- read the changelog for details -- have been added since then. Notice that it still hasn't reached 1.0. Calibre is very much a project in development, and its users embrace change more than the users of pretty much any program I've ever seen. All of those changes have been suggested by users (I'm the one who pushed for tag removal, for instance) and they have all been either coded by the people who suggested them, or added to the queue for the devs to get to when they wanted them. But there is a difference, a big difference, a @#$@# huge difference, between wanting a program improved and wanting it turned into another kind of program entirely. Calibre is a book manager. People are happy with calibre being a book manager. They all have* file managers. They don't want to turn a good book manager into a half-assed file manager, and that's what dropping development on all the things that matter and turning their efforts to changing calibre into a file manager will do. You think otherwise? You think calibre can be a file manager and a book manager at the same time? Then PUT UP OR SHUT UP.