Thread: LCD vs. e-ink
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Old 10-31-2010, 09:50 PM   #128
Krystian Galaj
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You contridict yourself by saying you didn't use CRT, which isn't really true or you wouldn't be able to say it caused problems in the first place and frankly would mean you didn't use a computer at all when CRTs were used, which was the majority of time that computers have existed as LCD is still a new technology.
I never said I didn't use CRT monitors. If you don't know English well, you might have been misled by my statement "I haven't used any for years now". This means that once I did use CRT monitors, for short periods of time, but I stopped using them long ago.

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I'm a programmer. I have been since I was about 15. I am on a computer for way too many hours every day. It started on CRT and now I use LCD. I have 20/20 vision and have no problems. So there you are - my contradiction to your post. Nevermind all the other people here who have been saying the same thing in this thread. Yeah, thats what I thought. And yeah, I'm just like you, I'll defend my point to the end that LCD does not harm your eyes. That eink users do not all want eink screens and may choose something else because the market only released new reading dedicated eink machines for the last few years. That LCD causing eyestrain by itself or will shoot laserbeams into your eyes is a myth. I feel just as passionate about my opinion as you and if you are going to come at me about it you better have some facts of your own, other than your sweet personal preference loaded with misinformation about the technology itself.
I'm not sure if you realize that you aren't making any sense.
1. You stated that eyestrain is a myth, therefore that there doesn't exist even one person in the world who experiences it.
2. I said I am such person (there are many more, even in this thread), and that's enough to show it's not a myth.
3. I don't dispute that your eyes don't feel strained when reading on LCD. However, that doesn't mean that everybody is the same as you, and that what works for you, works for everybody. Your opinion that it's a myth would require everyone not to be strained when reading from LCD, and that's clearly not the case.
(by the way, I'm a programmer as well. C/C++/asm/game programming. Nevermind.)

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P.S. I was ready to stop posting in this thread but you are exactly the kind of eink user that pisses me off. You ignore everyone else here that posted that LCD was fine for them and caused no problems and because YOU have issues with it you dismiss the rest of us. Don't you see that my posts did exactly the same to you? And you got pissed right? Try the shoe on the other foot for a while and see what I mean.
If I answered everyone in the thread, and everyone answered me, it would quickly become impossible to say anything, as the number of information would increase exponentially. Also, while there are users who piss me off on the forums, your posts rather amused me, at least up to now.

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Try adjusting your contrast and brightness to acceptable levels. Change your settings from white background with black text to white text and black background. There are many things you can do. Either way, read those articles and the one at the beginning of this thread and get back to me.
That's exactly what I'm doing on LCD. I wrote about this... apparently you didn't read it

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Originally Posted by Sil_liS View Post
The eye adjusts to the total amount of light. The field of vision is a little different from person to person, but I'm guessing that your hand held device occupies less than 10% of it (this will largely depend on how close it is to your eyes). A computer screen will do more or less the same, since even though it is bigger, it is further away. So if you are reading in a dark room, your eyes will adjust mostly to the environment, trying to get as much light as possible. Beside the size of the FOV, there is also the matter of receptor density, which can also differ from person to person, making it possible for some eyes to adjust more to the light going to the center of the FOV.

For the pain and headache, it isn't necessary that all the receptor cells in your eyes feel the same large number of photons, a small area on your fovea (the part of the retina where the image of letters will be formed) is enough. And at the center of the fovea there are around 150,000 receptors /mm^2.

The fact is that you are not going to read you E-Ink in a completely dark room, and the amount of light that is scattered of the capsules of ink will never rival the light emitted by the LCD in terms of photons/mm^2 on your retina.
Thank you for the explanation. That would be quite enough to explain the example I gave, and it wasn't a good one to illustrate my problem. Please consider this: when I read on iPhone screen in darkness, I get headaches. However, if I turn on the lamp, I can then read for much longer time on the same screen, in the same conditions, and not get a headache. That's the same as with LCD screens, that's why I wrote in my first post that I'm always making sure the screen is brightly lit by outside source when I work. However, I should think that with such additional bright light, the amount of light entering my eyes would be even greater - so why am I not getting headaches then?
I thought for a long time that the problem was the refresh rate of the monitor. CRT monitors actually flash quickly, ie. get bright when raster line passes through pixels, and then get drak until next frame. I noticed that it took longer for me to get a headache on a CRT monitor with higher refresh rate, and I thought that possibly, with additional external source of light which doesn't blink/flash, the relative amplitude of minimal lighting vs maximal lighting isn't so big, and that's why my eayes don't get strained as much.
But then, as far as I know, LCD monitors don't blink/flash/get light/dark (what would be the right word?) 60 times a second, and yet I still get headaches, and still lighting a monitor with additional lamp helps me avoid them.
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