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@Ea: I have no experience to actually judge scandinavian educational systems. What I meant is to show that this is the common opinion as far as I ve noticed.
@Joebill: I'd never say it was a descent. Judging by the majority of our species I have had "pleasure" to meet, I rather suspect, the apes have kicked the a*holes of their clans down the trees and never let them climb up again.
@beppe: it's a pleasure to read this all, even as a bystander and it spares me a mental sanity dice roll, knowing that there are still people behaving this way.
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