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bowerbird · 11-04-2007, 11:47 PM

first, a few things i forgot to mention on pagenumbers.

one very important aspects of pagenumber references
is that we need to consider them in our u.r.l. naming,
and the links there must have maximal transparency...

up above, i pointed you to these references:
> http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp001.html
> http://z-m-l.com/go/mabie/mabiep001.html
> http://z-m-l.com/go/sgfhb/sgfhbp001.html

take the top one, and eliminate the first part, to get:
> myant/myantp001.html

you can see that the first 5 letters are repeated, so
eliminate those as well, and strip off the suffix, for:
> myantp001

in my naming, the first 5 letters reference one book.
in this case, it's "my antonia", the book by willa cather.

the "p001" part of the u.r.l. indicates this is page 1...

and just so you know, this u.r.l.:
> http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp001.html
is based on the page-scan with this name:
> http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp001.png
which, once again, is the page-scan for page 1.

and i rigorously follow this convention throughout.

so this is the u.r.l. for page 123:
> http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp123.html

and it's based on the page-scan with this name:
> http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp123.png

thus, any competent fourth-grader is capable of
figuring out the u.r.l. for _any_ page in this book.

furthermore, this means that when i encounter
some other p-book in the historical archive that
makes references to this edition of "my antonia",
i can relate those references to my e-book easily.

for instance, let's say that a passage runs like this:
> on page 189 and 198, cather ascribes qualities
> to antonia which seem to be inconsistent with
> those which were ascribed on page 15 and 83,
> and are completely contradictory to what cather
> clearly states on page 111. however, this could
> be due to the revelation which antonia has, that
> is described in detail on pages 144 and 157.

so, based on my transparent and consistent naming,
it's a simple exercise to create links for this passage:
> http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp189.html
> http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp198.html
> http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp015.html
> http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp083.html
> http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp111.html
> http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp144.html
> http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp157.html

you would be _astonished_ how many cyberlibraries
have messed up their naming-schemes, such that a
simple plug-in-the-numbers strategy doesn't work.

google gets it kind-of right, but almost everyone else
gets it wrong, wrong, utterly and completely _wrong_.

and because of their confusing naming conventions,
scholars will have to go back and muddle through
_each_and_every_ reference like this, to find out how
the exact link for each one is specified in the e-book.
this is nothing less than sheer and massive stupidity...

-bowerbird

p.s. and, for the record, notice how completely useless
a p.g. e-text -- which was stripped of pagenumbers --
will be for a person who encounters the above passage.

11-04-2007, 11:47 PM	#74
bowerbird Banned Posts: 269 Karma: -273 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: los angeles	first, a few things i forgot to mention on pagenumbers. one very important aspects of pagenumber references is that we need to consider them in our u.r.l. naming, and the links there must have maximal transparency... up above, i pointed you to these references: > http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp001.html > http://z-m-l.com/go/mabie/mabiep001.html > http://z-m-l.com/go/sgfhb/sgfhbp001.html take the top one, and eliminate the first part, to get: > myant/myantp001.html you can see that the first 5 letters are repeated, so eliminate those as well, and strip off the suffix, for: > myantp001 in my naming, the first 5 letters reference one book. in this case, it's "my antonia", the book by willa cather. the "p001" part of the u.r.l. indicates this is page 1... and just so you know, this u.r.l.: > http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp001.html is based on the page-scan with this name: > http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp001.png which, once again, is the page-scan for page 1. and i rigorously follow this convention throughout. so this is the u.r.l. for page 123: > http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp123.html and it's based on the page-scan with this name: > http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp123.png thus, any competent fourth-grader is capable of figuring out the u.r.l. for _any_ page in this book. furthermore, this means that when i encounter some other p-book in the historical archive that makes references to this edition of "my antonia", i can relate those references to my e-book easily. for instance, let's say that a passage runs like this: > on page 189 and 198, cather ascribes qualities > to antonia which seem to be inconsistent with > those which were ascribed on page 15 and 83, > and are completely contradictory to what cather > clearly states on page 111. however, this could > be due to the revelation which antonia has, that > is described in detail on pages 144 and 157. so, based on my transparent and consistent naming, it's a simple exercise to create links for this passage: > http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp189.html > http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp198.html > http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp015.html > http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp083.html > http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp111.html > http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp144.html > http://z-m-l.com/go/myant/myantp157.html you would be _astonished_ how many cyberlibraries have messed up their naming-schemes, such that a simple plug-in-the-numbers strategy doesn't work. google gets it kind-of right, but almost everyone else gets it wrong, wrong, utterly and completely _wrong_. and because of their confusing naming conventions, scholars will have to go back and muddle through _each_and_every_ reference like this, to find out how the exact link for each one is specified in the e-book. this is nothing less than sheer and massive stupidity... -bowerbird p.s. and, for the record, notice how completely useless a p.g. e-text -- which was stripped of pagenumbers -- will be for a person who encounters the above passage.