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No he didn't!
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I never stated he believed in a "personal god".
I always thought the direct quote of Einstein summed it up....
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."
All else is pretty much speculation about what he meant or how he arrived at that conclusion. I prefer to just stick to what he had to say on the matter.
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Originally Posted by ardeegee
And even if he did, that is still an appeal to authority logical fallacy. Einstein could be wrong. Einstein was wrong in his opposition to quantum mechanics.
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I never said he couldn't be wrong. Of course he could be, so could I be, so could you be and so could Hawking be. What of it?
What I asked was if you thought discussing the matter with him would be like "rolling in mud with swine"?
The point of my OP and this thread was not a debate about who is right or wrong, it was about being civil to each other when discussing it.
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Originally Posted by ardeegee
And you are disregarding the first part of my statement: "When you are dealing with intelligent, well educated, rational people, you can be polite."
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Mostly because I see people on here begin such discussions in a polite and reasonable manner. It very quickly seems to devolve into name calling and obnoxious taunts, and it is generally not exclusively one side or the other that begins the swift decline.
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Originally Posted by ardeegee
There are intelligent, well-educated people who are also religious. But the overwhelming majority of the religious people chomping at the bit to "debate" and "disprove" evolution and other non-theistic things are pig-ignorant nitwits or slimebag liars or both. Atheists gain their bitterness (if it is there) not from debating with erudite philosophers-- they get if from dealing with hillbillies who say "I ain't come from no monkey, I dun come from Adam and Eve (not Adam and Steve) and they ain't dun bin no big bang an' you gonna die an' burn in hell fur'ever if you don't dun bin turnin' to Jeeeeeeeesus, who diiied foooor yoooouah seeeeens!" It comes from listening to people who couldn't distinguish a quark from a quasar if their lives literally depended on it who come up and tell you how they know more than "all dem gooodles syentyst" and then start quoting the same idiotic creationst talking points that all ignorant sheep get from their ignorant shepards and the wolves that prey on them.
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Sorry, hadn't seen that kind of argument put forward by anyone here at MR so I didn't think it was the reason these threads seemed to devolve so quickly into the name calling and questioning of others intelligence.
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Originally Posted by ardeegee
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I wasn't really discussing ID.
Cheers,
PKFFW