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Originally Posted by harryE123

What nokia are you referring to when you say tablet? And when you say a lot of content what exactly do you mean, a lot of content can't be run on current android devices with the latest flash, let alone nokia ones from three years ago. Also bear in mind the screen size, and the constant use of browsing would indeed drain battery (let's not forget in terms of actual browsing time by the users iphone by far dwarfs any other "smart" phone on the market) with flash. Do you get 5-6 hours browsing the web on the nokia? No way. And how large is the device?

It's a Nokia N800 Internet Tablet, one of the line of internet tablets they have produced for some years. I can't really give an accurate answer as to how much flash it will run, it runs the things I use it for.

A big reason some flash sites don't work well on mobile devices is that the sites have not been optimised for mobile devices. Again this is not a great criticism of the flash platform, it's like complaining your mobile won't run desktop applications. I could run firefox on the N800 if I wanted too but it ran like a pig because it wasn't designed for a tiny screen and low power cpu.

Never done an accurate battery test, it lasts 5 or 6 hours without charge for my general use, I'd have to do more accurate tests to find out how long it would last whilst constantly browsing. It's a 4.1" screen I think.

Originally Posted by harryE123

And if nokia flash enabled smart phones are so good how come they have just sacked the head of their smart phones dept. and they are doing colossally bad in smart phones, lower than anyone's negative expectations? And bear in mind that I do like nokia phones (before the iphone I refused to own anything but nokia phones), and I think they are probably the best phone maker on the planet, especially when it comes to voice quality they are surely the best. But lately boy have some of their smart phones been huge disappointments despite of the great core of symbian os they run. Some of them in terms of interface have been abysmal train wrecks.

It's not a smart phone, it's an internet tablet. They were before their time and badly marketed, they did become popular with the dev community but never really with the general public. The latest version the N900 is a smartphone but still running the same linux platform Maemo. The dev community have managed to get a near perfect port of Android running on it though. I'm not suggesting Nokia are great, was just pointing out that other mobile devices have been running flash when you stated that none had.

Originally Posted by harryE123

Flash for linux is a desktop non arm flash variant. Unix roots don't really mean much when the code is for a different platform, different cpu and when adobe didn't bother optimizing it with hardware acceleration for that platform. That unix flash (which also runs on os x) is equally bad too since adobe don't leverage other layers of technology to optimize it there as they do in windows. Everyone on os x knows how bad flash is, why do you think click to flash is one of the most used add ons to safari?

The N800 is ARM based, well OMAP2 but that's just ARM glued to something else, someone obviously managed to compile flash for it. No it might not have been CPU optimized but then neither are lots of things you can run on a device, I'm sure Apple don't ban all CPU intensive processes it seems a little strange they would single out one piece of software.

Besides, ARM themselves state that Flash 10 is optimised for Cortex-A devices.

Originally Posted by harryE123

Trust me if apple did have a good enough plug in from adobe they wouldn't have any problem including it, why would they? But adobe didn't provide a good enough plug in because they weren't expecting apple to deliver such a big blow with the iphone to threaten them, they thought they'd take their sweet time and blackmail them ultimately to include it by force of market and demand. They were wrong and apple is now spearheading their decline. But they woke up and started crying and whining to late about it. But of course they found very sympathetic ears and mouths to every dime a dozen pundit on the pc side of the fence who with extreme anger have seen time after time the public disregarding their moronic commentary on apple and apple becoming larger in capitalization than ms...

Apple are not supposed to write flash code for adobe just so adobe can sit on their butts and milk a cash cow that wasn't supposed to be there to begin with, they are as they should be) supporting open standards for the web that have better code, that are faster, more flexible and above all open to all, as the web should. Apple's very own open source webkit which spun off from the kde browser is powering almost ALL mobile browsers including google's browser and most browsers on nokia's phones (and palm's webos was based on webkit) because more often than not apple do practice what they preach. Funnily enough some part of the user interface of Adobe's very own CS5 use webkit for rendering.

Like Quicktime?

Yep webkit is nice. Apple does some great stuff, you seem to react to everything people write as some sort of attack on Apple. I'm just pointing out that flash does and has worked on mobile devices for some time and will continue to do so. It's not atrocious or evil or going to make my device crash every second, it's just another web technology which Apple have chosen not to embrace for seemingly personal reasons which are backed up with a lot of hot air.