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Old 09-06-2010, 08:06 PM   #17
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I call the Windows mobile 6.5 and the soon to be released Wndows phone 7 a partial OS as is Android and the iPhone OS. I am not calling Unix or the Mac a partial OS. I have worked with Unix and Linux at work and like those systems. Jail breaking while now considered legal by the courts will still be for the few and brave. It is closed because Apple decides what goes into the App store. To be fair the new Microsoft phone will have a store that will also be closed. On a Slate that is not a phone and a real computing device I don't want my arms tied. When Apple decides to come out with a Slate that is based on the Mac then they can call it a full computing device.

Certainly there are advantages and disadvantages to a light OS or full OS on these new devices. There are rumored Slate devices that may come out using the new Windows phone 7 OS. I would be critical of these Slate devices with a Win Phone 7 OS in them.
You don't get it. Os x, as any other desktop os, is not an os for mobile multitouch devices, it wasn't developed to be one. Ios is a paradigm shift, it's different os for a different device. It has the same unix kernel as os x, optimized for mobility, and an interface made specifically for touch based mobile devices. It's under no definition a light OS. Desktop os's can't go into multitouch mobile devices because they were developed for a mouse paradigm, that's why microsoft who could not (again) muster some vision for a new os for touch mobile devices has being so badly beaten.

Google managed to steal enough java code from sun and copy all the functionality and interface of iOS to come up with android. Which is by no way commendable, but it's something.

If you think that open computing means viruses, trojans, spyware an malware and with a desktop mouse oriented os be my guest and expect a windows 7 tablet.

As for open or closed, it's ludicrous to suggest that just because you can buy (or most often -not for you but in general- steal) a developers work independently from something other than an app store doesn't make the os any more open or closed. Apple's business idea of an app store has made people probably for the first time willing to spend money on apps because they find a unified interface where they can get them from. Apple makes a small cut, developers finally start making some money, consumers can have a simple way to view, chose and compare apps, and the system is safeguarded against all sorts of nasties and it remains as secure as possible too. Everyone is happy.

I ll quote Dan Dilger from roughly drafted, who said better than I could have:

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Google controls what vendors and users can do with its "with Google" apps; Android phone makers control what users can do (and when they get OS updates, usually months after they're ready) and Android service providers control what users can do, what non-removable software is loaded, and so on. Your giddy fantasy that "Android=open" is delusional and tiresome.
And of course as a last resort users can legally jailbreak and do whatever the crap they want to with the devices. Apple hasn't stopped them and they won't. If they are so tech inclined that whatever the os offers or several hundred thousand apps offer don't suit them, then they it will be a piece of cake to jailbreak and do as they please. 10 year olds and soccer moms can jailbreak, it's hardly something hard for a techie.


Having said all that I don't mean to be a killjoy and of course you can like whatever you like and prefer whatever you prefer, provided that in the process you don't try to re-define what is open or closed, and what is or isn't an os going against logic. If you want a desktop os (like the ones that have doomed tablets for more than 10 years) with a mouse interface where you will use a stylus to click on menus created for mouses fair enough. Since you like it I am sure you 'll enjoy it.
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