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Originally Posted by Druid_Elf
Only religion fanatics believe that god created the universe 
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I guess this would depend on ones definition of "fanatics". By any commonly accepted definition of the word that I am aware of, your statement is patently false and adds nothing to the discussion.
As for SH's book and the idea of the physical universe having not been created by a creator of some description.........
I don't know but the way I see it is this........
In a reality of infinite possibilities it is possible that the physical universe was created by a creator or by an accident of chance. Categorically stating "the universe was
not created by god" is just as "wrong" as stating "the universe was created by god". At present we simply do not know which is the case.
Further, even if one accepts the proposition that the physical universe does not need a god to have been created and could have come about by a random chain of chance happenings, this does not prove a god was not involved. Just as I could show you that the mutations of a cold virus could have occurred randomly by chance, this does not mean that those mutations were not actually intentionally made by a scientists in the lab. Again, it all comes down to "we just don't know".
Of course then one must consider that even if the universe did come about by a random chain of chance events, that chain of events may have been instigated by some sort of creator.
Lastly, even should one accept that the universe was created by a creator one must consider how said creator came into existence. And down the rabbit hole we go!
Cheers,
PKFFW