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tiramisł 08-10-2010 06:34 AM
Is it possible to completely remove the right and left margins?
 
Hi,

I'm thinking about purchasing a Kindle3 but first I'd like to know if you can completely remove the left and right margins.
I've read that with Caliber you can set the margins to 0 (points), does this mean that there will be no white space between the bezels and the text?
Thanks in advance.

Mike L 08-10-2010 08:09 AM
I don't have a Kindle 3, but the earlier Kindles don't have this feature, so it's unlikely that the 3 will.

But I'm curious: why on earth do you want to do this?

grizedale 08-10-2010 09:07 AM
I currently have a Sony pocket and this enables the text to have no margins and hope the K3 has the same. Cannot see the point have having wasted screen space, well no more than 1em anyway.

suecsi 08-10-2010 09:21 AM
Yes, in principle, thought AFAIK you could only set the margin format during a conversion and then the original file would have to be without DRM. I've done it with EPUB to MOBI for my Kindle and also EPUB to a new EPUB with smaller margins on my old Sony. My files were all without DRM.

grizedale 08-10-2010 09:35 AM
Thanks suecsi, that's just what I wanted to know.

tiramisł 08-10-2010 10:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suecsi (Post 1051484)
Yes, in principle, thought AFAIK you could only set the margin format during a conversion and then the original file would have to be without DRM. I've done it with EPUB to MOBI for my Kindle and also EPUB to a new EPUB with smaller margins on my old Sony. My files were all without DRM.
Thanks for your answer, really appreciated!

pboss 08-10-2010 05:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike L (Post 1051431)
I don't have a Kindle 3, but the earlier Kindles don't have this feature, so it's unlikely that the 3 will.

But I'm curious: why on earth do you want to do this?
More real estate on the screen.

Mike L 08-11-2010 04:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pboss (Post 1052131)
More real estate on the screen.
Hmm. Not sure I see the point of that. What's the advantage of saving "real estate"?

Would you also want to do away with margins in printed books?

grizedale 08-11-2010 05:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike L (Post 1052817)
Hmm. Not sure I see the point of that. What's the advantage of saving "real estate"?

Would you also want to do away with margins in printed books?
I see the bezel of the ereader as the margin.

In a pbook you have the edge of the book, then the margin, then the text, on an ebook you also have the width of the bezel added to the width of the margin, so I want the text to take up as much of the space as possible...

olis 08-11-2010 05:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike L (Post 1052817)
Hmm. Not sure I see the point of that. What's the advantage of saving "real estate"?
6" screens are smaller than a standard paperback page. In order to have about the same amount of words per line of a paperback on a 6" screen you need to reduce or remove the margins.
I like that the text fills the screen almost to the edges because it means less page turning, but I know not all people like that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike L (Post 1052817)
Would you also want to do away with margins in printed books?
No. Printed books are big enough to provide a sufficient number of words on each line even with left and right margins.
Printed books need margins so you can rest you fingers on them without covering the text, e-book readers have bezels for that.

Mike L 08-11-2010 09:18 AM
Thanks for the clarification. I hadn't thought of the bezel in that way. Personally, I like things as they are, but it would be good to have a choice, I suppose.

NormHart 08-11-2010 10:30 PM
I agree that margins on an ereader are rather pointless and more words per line without going to a smaller font would be welcome, especially since, as my eyes fail, I find myself graduating to larger fonts.

:eek:

Madmanden 08-12-2010 08:50 AM
Does anybody know if you read books in landscape mode on the K3, or is it a PDF-only feature?

If you can, it would be a nice way to get more 'real estate'.

tomsem 08-12-2010 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Madmanden (Post 1054332)
Does anybody know if you read books in landscape mode on the K3, or is it a PDF-only feature?

If you can, it would be a nice way to get more 'real estate'.
Landscape mode is available for all supported formats and for the web browser on K2/DX and will be on K3. The only thing that will not display in landscape is the Kindle Store.

Madmanden 08-12-2010 12:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomsem (Post 1054572)
Landscape mode is available for all supported formats and for the web browser on K2/DX and will be on K3. The only thing that will not display in landscape is the Kindle Store.
Excellent. Thank you very much. :)

grizedale 09-01-2010 04:16 PM
Well, I have my Kindle 3 in my hands at last, I have tried all the methods I know to remove the margins but to no avail, any hints/tips would be greatfully received...

This is using non DRM Epub to Mobi with the margins set to 0 in calibre

olis 09-01-2010 04:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by grizedale (Post 1087796)
Well, I have my Kindle 3 in my hands at last, I have tried all the methods I know to remove the margins but to no avail, any hints/tips would be greatfully received...

This is using non DRM Epub to Mobi with the margins set to 0 in calibre
Same thing here. The Kindle doesn't seem to observe the margin configuration I setup in Calibre. I think the Kindle has "minimum" margins hardcoded in the firmware that cannot be overruled by the css stylesheet of the ebook.
Has anyone been able to reduce the page margins?

jswinden 09-01-2010 06:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by olis (Post 1087828)
Same thing here. The Kindle doesn't seem to observe the margin configuration I setup in Calibre. I think the Kindle has "minimum" margins hardcoded in the firmware that cannot be overruled by the css stylesheet of the ebook.
Has anyone been able to reduce the page margins?
I've tried but to no avail. Unfortunately the Kindle support of CSS is rather limited and does not support the use of margin-left or margin-right or padding-left or padding-right.

isotherm 09-01-2010 07:44 PM
On my Kindle 2, you can edit the default left/right margins. You don't even need to install any packages or jailbreak! I don't know if this will work for Kindle 3 or not, as I don't have one. But for earlier versions, hook the Kindle up to your computer and open the following file with your favorite text editor (e.g. notepad):
Code:
\system\com.amazon.ebook.booklet.reader\reader.pref
You will see a line like the following:
Code:
HORIZONTAL_MARGIN=40
The default is 40 pixels. Change it as you desire; 0 does work if that is what you want. Once you have changed it, save the file, eject your Kindle, and restart it using the menu (Menu > Settings, Menu > Restart). Your margins should now have changed.

NiLuJe 09-01-2010 08:40 PM
It's still there on the K3. Haven't tried though. (But I do remember seeing 40 as the default. I may be wrong ^^)

Ben Thornton 09-01-2010 08:51 PM
The file is still there, and the default is 40.

I changed it to 20, and this worked - the margins were reduced.
However, if you select the dialog to change font size etc., this resets the margin - so you'd have to edit the file again to change it back.

In other words, this sets the current margin, not the default margin.

geekgeek 09-01-2010 10:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by grizedale (Post 1087796)
Well, I have my Kindle 3 in my hands at last, I have tried all the methods I know to remove the margins but to no avail, any hints/tips would be greatfully received...

This is using non DRM Epub to Mobi with the margins set to 0 in calibre
I've had much success using Sigil to open the CSS of the non-DRM ePub, and editing the Left and Right margins from 5pt to 0, worked like a charm for all my non-DRM ePubs!

Let me know if it works for you too!

jswinden 09-01-2010 10:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by geekgeek (Post 1088212)
I've had much success using Sigil to open the CSS of the non-DRM ePub, and editing the Left and Right margins from 5pt to 0, worked like a charm for all my non-DRM ePubs!

Let me know if it works for you too!
No, as stated just above you cannot change the CSS margins in Mobi (Kindle) books.

geekgeek 09-01-2010 10:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jswinden (Post 1088253)
No, as stated just above you cannot change the CSS margins in Mobi (Kindle) books.
Yup, my method only works for ePub books, but once you've made the changes to the ePub book, you can then use Calibre to convert them to Mobi, and they should display perfectly on the Kindle without the left and right margins

jswinden 09-01-2010 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Thornton (Post 1088122)
The file is still there, and the default is 40.

I changed it to 20, and this worked - the margins were reduced.
However, if you select the dialog to change font size etc., this resets the margin - so you'd have to edit the file again to change it back.

In other words, this sets the current margin, not the default margin.
I tried it too, but it didn't take. The only result I got was a screwed up Collection sorting. I had been using an initial period to make Collections appear first during Title sort. I guess the restart caused them to be re-alphabetized differently so I had to rename all collections to an initial underbar instead. Damn Amazon for not allowing us to set this as desired.

sirmaru 09-01-2010 11:10 PM
K3 can eliminate margins totally
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiramisł (Post 1051378)
Hi,

I'm thinking about purchasing a Kindle3 but first I'd like to know if you can completely remove the left and right margins.
I've read that with Caliber you can set the margins to 0 (points), does this mean that there will be no white space between the bezels and the text?
Thanks in advance.
Yes, the Kindle LG WiFi 3 can eliminate all margins using the Text key. I have one eBook set that way and another not set that way. One uses the 5 way controller to set the number of words per line.

I only use AZW - Amazon - books however.

grizedale 09-02-2010 02:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by geekgeek (Post 1088258)
Yup, my method only works for ePub books, but once you've made the changes to the ePub book, you can then use Calibre to convert them to Mobi, and they should display perfectly on the Kindle without the left and right margins
You would think it would but, sadly, this is not the case. This is the exact method I have been trying to no avail.

grizedale 09-02-2010 02:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Thornton (Post 1088122)
The file is still there, and the default is 40.

I changed it to 20, and this worked - the margins were reduced.
However, if you select the dialog to change font size etc., this resets the margin - so you'd have to edit the file again to change it back.

In other words, this sets the current margin, not the default margin.
I tried this but it does not take, when I check the file after a restart it has reverted back to 40

geekgeek 09-02-2010 03:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by grizedale (Post 1088452)
You would think it would but, sadly, this is not the case. This is the exact method I have been trying to no avail.
Just to confirm, you are opening up the ePub book in Sigil, and changing the "stylesheet.ss" file under the "Styles" folder? The values to be changed are "margin-left" and "margin-right", which were set to 5pt in my ePub books for some reason, so I changed them both to 0 and it worked.

grizedale 09-02-2010 04:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by geekgeek (Post 1088508)
Just to confirm, you are opening up the ePub book in Sigil, and changing the "stylesheet.ss" file under the "Styles" folder? The values to be changed are "margin-left" and "margin-right", which were set to 5pt in my ePub books for some reason, so I changed them both to 0 and it worked.
Yes, this is exactly what I have been doing for months and it works fine on my Sony Pocket as an epub, when converted to Mobi it ignores this setting...

grizedale 09-02-2010 04:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by geekgeek (Post 1088258)
Yup, my method only works for ePub books, but once you've made the changes to the ePub book, you can then use Calibre to convert them to Mobi, and they should display perfectly on the Kindle without the left and right margins
Have you actually successfully done this?

geekgeek 09-02-2010 04:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by grizedale (Post 1088543)
Have you actually successfully done this?
Yes I have, so that's pretty strange!:blink:

Basically I had a bunch of ePub books with a huge left margin, and I was advised to use Sigil to edit the CSS stylesheets, which I did, and I then subsequently used Calibre to convert them to Mobi and transferred them onto my K3. The margins were indeed no longer there!

vugtitan 09-02-2010 04:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by geekgeek (Post 1088548)
Yes I have, so that's pretty strange!:blink:

Basically I had a bunch of ePub books with a huge left margin, and I was advised to use Sigil to edit the CSS stylesheets, which I did, and I then subsequently used Calibre to convert them to Mobi and transferred them onto my K3. The margins were indeed no longer there!
Hey! They just released the ource code for the kindle 3.This means we can adjust the margins to zero?

olis 09-02-2010 04:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by isotherm (Post 1088062)
On my Kindle 2, you can edit the default left/right margins. You don't even need to install any packages or jailbreak! I don't know if this will work for Kindle 3 or not, as I don't have one. But for earlier versions, hook the Kindle up to your computer and open the following file with your favorite text editor (e.g. notepad):
Code:
\system\com.amazon.ebook.booklet.reader\reader.pref
You will see a line like the following:
Code:
HORIZONTAL_MARGIN=20
The default is 20 pixels (on each side). Change it as you desire; 0 does work if that is what you want. Once you have changed it, save the file, eject your Kindle, and restart it using the menu (Menu > Settings, Menu > Restart). Your margins should now have changed.
Thanks isotherm, it works just fine on my the Kindle3.

grizedale 09-02-2010 04:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by olis (Post 1088579)
Thanks isotherm, it works just fine on my the Kindle3.
I have tried this but it won't stick, just reverts back to 40 for me, odd...

This is the text I have

#User preferences for Reader Booklet
#Thu Sep 02 08:46:16 GMT+01:00 2010
FONT_SIZE=17
DICTIONARY=The New Oxford American Dictionary
LINE_SPACING=1
JUSTIFICATION=full
LAST_BOOK_READ=/mnt/us/documents/Hamilton, Peter F_/Evolutionary Void, The - Peter F. Hamilton.mobi
HORIZONTAL_MARGIN=40
FONT_FAMILY=condensed

grizedale 09-02-2010 04:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by geekgeek (Post 1088548)
Yes I have, so that's pretty strange!:blink:

Basically I had a bunch of ePub books with a huge left margin, and I was advised to use Sigil to edit the CSS stylesheets, which I did, and I then subsequently used Calibre to convert them to Mobi and transferred them onto my K3. The margins were indeed no longer there!
So, the text on you K3 goes from bezel to bezel with no white margin?

olis 09-02-2010 04:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by grizedale (Post 1088583)
I have tried this but it won't stick, just reverts back to 40 for me, odd...
I tried it and it worked beautifully. Try this:

1) Go to Home on your Kindle (it is important that you have all your books closed)
2) Attach the Kindle to your pc, find the file \system\com.amazon.ebook.booklet.reader\reader.pre f and change the margins as you please.
3) Unplug the Kindle, go to settings and make a restart (do not open any book before the restart).

Now you should have the margin width you chose; changing font size, font typeface and line spacing doesn't reset the margins value. On the other hand if you change "words per line" it does reset the margin to the default value (40pixels).
Basically this has solved the problem for me.
Thank you all guys!!

grizedale 09-02-2010 04:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by olis (Post 1088588)
I tried it and it worked beautifully. Try this:

1) Go to Home on your Kindle (it is important that you have all your books closed)
2) Attach the Kindle to your pc, find the file \system\com.amazon.ebook.booklet.reader\reader.pre f and change the margins as you please.
3) Unplug the Kindle, go to settings and make a restart (do not open any book before the reastart).

Now you should have the margin width you chose; changing font size, font typeface and line spacing doesn't reset the margins value.
On the other hand if you change "words per line" it does reset the margin to the default value (40pixels).
Basically this has solved the problem for me. Thank you all guys!!
Perfect, thank you, I had a book open is the reason it failed, soooo happy.

geekgeek 09-02-2010 04:59 AM
Ok it doesn't go exactly bezel to bezel, but the resulting margin is more acceptable to me, perhaps I had misunderstood the meaning of removing the left and right margins.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4150/...2ce46bcc26.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4154/...412e0c826c.jpg

Ok on the left is my original ePub file, on the right is the same file after editing with Sigil and conversion to Mobi. I now realise that there *IS* still a left and right margin, but I felt that it was small enough to be acceptable.

I am piqued now though, we can do bezel to bezel with no space between text and bezel? :D

grizedale 09-02-2010 05:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by geekgeek (Post 1088605)

I am piqued now though, we can do bezel to bezel with no space between text and bezel? :D
Yes, using the above method bezel to bezel is a reality. I have the margin set to 10 just to avoid the shadow of the bezel

http://www.wvtssp.net/media/Photos/I...00902-0907.jpg


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