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Tex2002ans 09-16-2018 06:02 PM

Does Tool Exist to Spellcheck/Grammarcheck by Category?
 
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I was wondering if anyone has come across anything like this in their travels? If so, please let me know.

To my knowledge, most tools allow you to check and replace on a one-by-one basis. They don't give you an easy way to see all spelling/grammar errors on a document-wide level.

What I Envision

Sample Input:

Quote:

This is the 1st erro. My names is tex. second, this is a diferent error. And this is a 2nd erro. i converted 2 diferent dollars to erros when I visited Europe.
Potential Output:
  • (5) Spelling
    • (3) erro -> error
      • This is the 1st erro.
      • And this is a 2nd erro.
      • i converted 2 diferent dollars to erros when I visited Europe.
    • (2) diferent -> different
      • second, this is a diferent error.
      • i converted 2 diferent dollars to erros when I visited Europe.
  • (3) Grammar
    • (1) is -> are
      • My names is tex.
    • (2) Capitalization
      • (1) Second
        • My names is tex. second, this is a diferent error 1.
      • (1) I
        • i converted 2 diferent dollars to erros when I visited Europe.

Seeing them broken down this way would allow you to easily tell, at a glance, how many of which types there are + surrounding context.

You could also focus purely within a category to see if the recommendations are actually correct:
  • (diferent -> different). You would be able to "Replace All" in one swoop.
  • But (erro -> error), "dollars to erros" should be "dollars to euros".

Current Tools (That I'm aware of)

One-by-One Checking (Most tools are like this)

If using Word/LibreOffice, you have to go through one-by-one in the order they appear, and Correct/Ignore/Ignore All.

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Pain Point: Word's grammarcheck frustrating, because you can only "Ignore" and CAN'T "Ignore All". On a huge book, this takes forever.

Pain Point #2: In large works, there are typically common issues repeated throughout the entire document (author misspells "erros" + consistently misses a comma before/after certain words). You can't easily tackle all comma errors in a given pass, or solve them consistently, because you're constantly flipflopping between all the different types of issues.

Pain Point #3: Another frustration in Word is when you get the dreaded "Too many spelling or grammatical errors" and it refuses to show you the red/blue squigglies within your document. This makes seeing context much more difficult.

List-based Grammar-checking

LanguageTool's standalone tool allows you to get an entire list of grammar errors in the order they appear:

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This is pretty great! And it allows you to "Ignore All" entire rules.

But because you can't easily tell how many hits this rule actually caught in the entire book (is there just 1? Or 50?), you sometimes don't want to Ignore the entire rule.

Pain Point: Because you can't easily ignore, there are a ton of false positives clogging up the list.

Pain Point #2: You also aren't too sure what Ignoring a certain rule would effect. Take for example, the "Capitalization" grammar rule:

1. Ignore that specific instance of that specific word?
- That second -> Second would be ignored, future ones would be caught
2. Ignore all future instances of that specific word?
--- second -> Second would be ignored, future "second"s also ignored.
3. Ignore all cases of capitalization errors?
--- second -> Second would be ignored, but so would i -> I.

List-based Spell-checking

Sigil/Calibre allow you to use the Spellchecking Lists to see errors in mass.

This allows you to see all misspelled words in the entire book in an easy to view list, but you can only see individual words, not the surrounding context:

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You have to manually search for these words, or doubleclick the word X times in the Spellcheck List to jump to each instance.

Pain Point: Again, when working on huge books, this can be a pain, especially if it's dealing with words that are very common, but potential misspellings in some contexts (or OCR errors, like "modem"<->"modern").

Reason Why I Thought of This

I recently was looking at what they added into the latest versions of Word, and saw they introduced an "Editor Pane":

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...3-6ea27c8f31f1

It finally allows you to split the Spelling + Grammar into separate steps (one of my pet peeves with a lot of the tools, constantly flipflopping between "Spelling Mode" and "Grammar Mode").

Sigil's method is by far my favorite way to spellcheck, but I think the hybrid approach I mentioned above (with lists AND context), would be yet another way to correct errors efficiently.

BetterRed 09-16-2018 09:56 PM

Short answer is No.

Some notes on my usage of Word 2016’s spell checker.

Because I dodge in and out of it a lot, I have the Proofing Options panel in the Quick Access toolbar; Alt 9 opens it.

Early on in my workflow (after EpubTools S&R), I do a pass with "Check grammar with spelling" unset. It's not perfect, punctuation ‘errors’ (e.g. missing comma’s etc), which I regard as grammatical/stylistic issues, will pop up; but if you have strict Grammar and Refinements [1] settings most of those are excluded.

In an ideal world there would be discrete Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar, and Style checkers.

There is a Change all option for spelling. But for me it's deficient, in that it doesn't do the corrections en-masse, it does them progressively. So, if you don't continue checking through to end of document, the 'unseen' corrections aren't made.

It also has an Ignore all, if I decide I need to review the context in which a misspelt word is used I select this option. Then after the first spelling only pass, I tap Recheck Document:

Press Alt+Numpad+ to go to 1st misspelt word, which should be something I previously ignored en-masse.

I copy/paste the word to the Navigation panel search box (I wish there was context menu option or kb short to do that). The Results tab will show the context for all occurrences of the misspelling. By stepping through the Results items, I can deal with each instance - Change, Ignore or Retype.

Tap Ctrl+Home and Alt+Numpad+ to find the next misspelt word.

In earlier versions of Word if you typed over a misspelt word, what you typed would be offered at the top of the Suggested list for subsequent occurrences of the misspelt word. That feature fell off the back of the truck sometime between 2010 and 2016. If anyone knows how to restore the feature in Word 2016, perhaps they'd let me know - either in here or in a PM.

I use Exclusion lists to exclude some spellings in some documents. FX in some texts I might prefer a word on loan from the French to be spelt with the appropriate diacritics.[2] This can result in many 'misspelt' words, the correction, via Find and Replace, involves selecting the appropriate language from the Language option in the "Formats" drop-down button.

I too quite like the Sigil and Calibre spell checkers in terms of the UI. Toxaris went some way towards doing something similar for Word in ePubTools. But I found it to be quite slow, and I didn't like having to use the hunspell dictionaries in the MS Office environment. Maybe it'll be better in version 2.0. Ideally it would have the same functionality as the native spell checker, or more, and it would use the Office dictionaries.

I'll try to come back on Grammar and Style.

BR

[1] Where did this Refinements word come from! Why replace a 5 letter 1 syllable word with an established usage: Style, with the 11 letter 3 syllable word: Refinements! Has MS been infected by the penchant for prolix that is endemic within the realms of US officialdom.

[2] Come Brexit, will the Anglosphere have to return the words it 'borrowed' from the EU languages; IIRC cravat was nicked from the Croats :-).

BetterRed 09-16-2018 11:20 PM

It looks like the Editor Pane goes some way towards my ideal of four separate checkers. But it needs a live internet connection; so, it is only available in Office 365; which I don't have :(

Regrettably, I ticked the box for Office Home and Business when I bought my Dell, I assumed there would be an affordable upgrade to Office 365 should I ever want it. There is an upgrade option, but last time I looked, the cost was borderline extortionate :angry:

BR

Tex2002ans 09-17-2018 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749110)
Short answer is No.

It's what I feared. Sort of like all the spellchecking tools before we popularized the "List-based Spellchecking". :P

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749110)
Some notes on my usage of Word 2016’s spell checker.

Thanks for these ideas.

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749110)
[indent]Because I dodge in and out of it a lot, I have the Proofing Options panel in the Quick Access toolbar; Alt 9 opens it.

When you mess with any of these Spelling/Grammar settings, doesn't Word completely "Recheck the document" from scratch?

Let's say you reached the halfway point, you've been Ignoring on a case-by-case basis. You run into a common "error" clogging up your workflow, so you go into the "Proofing Options" and change a single setting. Every... dang... change... you just Ignored gets reset.

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749110)
In an ideal world there would be discrete Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar, and Style checkers.

LanguageTool has all their corrections organized into classes that you can easily check/uncheck:

Attachment 166349 Attachment 166350

Side Note: This categorization is also a frustrating point in Word's grammarcheck.

When you get a suggestion, you have no idea WHAT rule/category this "error" actually hit, because it doesn't tell you. Look at the screenshot I gave in Post #1 for Word:

Quote:

But my indebtedness to at least three writers is of so specific a nature that I cannot allow it to pass unmentioned.
Code:

Grammar
so
|------|
|no    |
|      |
|      |
|------|

Okay, so what category is this in so I can ignore that grammar error in the future?

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... I have no idea.

So instead, you just have to Ignore one-by-one, the same issue throughout the entire document.

And if you work on older books, non-formal stuff like Fiction, or throw in em dashes/ellipses, or variables (maths)... the false positives are through the roof!

If I saw an annoying false positive in a List-based system, I could just easily skip my eyes to the next category!

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749110)
I copy/paste the word to the Navigation panel search box (I wish there was context menu option or kb short to do that). The Results tab will show the context for all occurrences of the misspelling. By stepping through the Results items, I can deal with each instance - Change, Ignore or Retype.

lol, with book-sized documents, I usually get the "There are too many results to show here".

It should be like Notepad++'s Find All. Just show me the entire list of every occurrence! I don't care if there are 100+!

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749110)
Tap Ctrl+Home and Alt+Numpad+ to find the next misspelt word.

Are these default shortcuts? I tried them on my end and they didn't work.

My Ctrl+Home jumped me near the beginning of the document. And the Alt+Numpad+ inserted an equation.

Side Note: I also went into File > Options > Customize Ribbon > Keyboard Shortcuts: Customize... (ugh, what a way to bury shortcuts). And I couldn't easily find a "Find Next Misspelled Word". According to a quick search online it may be Alt+F7... where it's buried in the menus though, no idea.

Why oh why couldn't it be more like Sigil/Calibre's Shortcut pages? Full search + you could easily see what's assigned to what.

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749110)
[COLOR="Gray"][1] Where did this Refinements word come from! Why replace a 5 letter 1 syllable word with an established usage: Style, with the 11 letter 3 syllable word: Refinements! Has MS been infected by the penchant for prolix that is endemic within the realms of US officialdom.

Because "Refinements" is more inclusive! :P

Spelling is the Spelling Police. ("This is an eror.")
Grammar is the Grammar Police. ("This are not an error")
Style is the Style Police. ("The Oxford Comma is simpler, correct, and superior!")
Refinements are the Refinement Police! ("This is some super duper overly wordy sentence.")

And when you let Word Replace All (heaven help you), it helps you—refine—your writing! :rofl:

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749135)
It looks like the Editor Pane goes some way towards my ideal of four separate checkers. But it needs a live internet connection; so, it is only available in Office 365; which I don't have :(

Yeah... cloud-based + subscription-based stuff, no thanks.

And all of the online spellcheck/grammar tools I've run across so far are all one-by-one checkers, and/or have been purchased up/consumed by Grammarly.

Side Note: And Grammarly is horrendous. You can see how the one-by-one annoyed The Digital Reader in his review:

https://the-digital-reader.com/2017/...ing-grammarly/

Doitsu 09-17-2018 04:25 AM

@Tex2002ans: It's very easy to check for specific issues with the command line version of LanguageTool.

For example if you saved your test file as tex.text, you'd use the following command line to only look for agreement issues:

java -jar languagetool-commandline.jar --language en-US --enabledonly --enable AGREEMENT_SENT_START tex.txt

Code:

Working on tex.txt...
1.) Line 1, column 32, Rule ID: AGREEMENT_SENT_START[5]
Message: You should probably use: 'are'.
Suggestion: are
This is the 1st erro. My names is tex. second, this is a diferent error. And t...
                              ^^

Of course, you could also simply use LibreOffice and select the desired rules in the GUI. :)

Shameless plug: Sigil users could also use my LanguageTool Sigil plugin, which also allows you to enable or disable specific rules.

Tex2002ans 09-17-2018 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Doitsu (Post 3749185)
For example if you saved your test file as tex.text, you'd use the following command line to only look for agreement issues:

Shameless plug: Sigil users could also use my LanguageTool Sigil plugin, which also allows you to enable or disable specific rules.

Hmmmm.... now if there was a way to iterate through every rule one at a time, and then recompile by category into a single unified view + make it look pretty. It would be a couple steps in the right direction!

Sounds like something my good friend Doitsu would want to tackle. :whistle:

jbacelar 09-17-2018 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Doitsu (Post 3749185)
Shameless plug: Sigil users could also use my LanguageTool Sigil plugin, which also allows you to enable or disable specific rules.

It would be great a LanguageTool Calibre editor plugin... :D

Doitsu 09-17-2018 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749192)
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Originally Posted by Doitsu (Post 3749185)
Shameless plug: Sigil users could also use my LanguageTool Sigil plugin, which also allows you to enable or disable specific rules.

Sounds like something my good friend Doitsu would want to tackle. :whistle:

I'm afraid that's beyond my limited Python skills.

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Originally Posted by jbacelar (Post 3749217)
It would be a great LanguageTool Calibre editor plugin... :D

I totally agree with you on that. :) Unfortunately, I lack the skills to adapt my simple Sigil plugin for Calibre. Maybe you could ask about it in the Calibre plugin ideas thread?

jbacelar 09-17-2018 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Doitsu (Post 3749228)
Maybe you could ask about it in the Calibre plugin ideas thread?

Yes, I will do it.

BetterRed 09-17-2018 09:31 AM

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My earlier post was based on Word 2016 from Office 2016 for Home and Business.

I went away and read up on the Editor Pane, it looked interesting. So I had a chat session with MS Support. The pricing is not as bad as I remembered ($200+pa), for Personal it's only AU$10 monthly for 1 desktop, 1 phone, and 1 tablet, which is the same as my weekly gym-fees! And I get to keep my Office H&B - I could put that on my Dell Alien Alpha Xbox box :lol:

So I have it on a 1 month trial, I'll be responding based on my limited usage of it. The install was painless, download and run a little exe, which does a bit more downloading, a few minutes over DSL, then a similarly few minutes to install. No more than 10 minutes go-to-whoa.

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749179)
When you mess with any of these Spelling/Grammar settings, doesn't Word completely "Recheck the document" from scratch?

I don't think so, my experience is I have to tap that big Recheck Document to get it to even think about doing it, but sometimes it doesn't work, and I have to stop/start Word.

I don't change the options under the Settings button. What I do is uncheck/check Check grammar with spelling, and when its checked I select the Writing Style check I want - Grammar or Grammar & Refinements

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749179)
Let's say you reached the halfway point, you've been Ignoring on a case-by-case basis. You run into a common "error" clogging up your workflow, so you go into the "Proofing Options" and change a single setting. Every... dang... change... you just Ignored gets reset.

For spelling I don't do many Ignore Once's. I correct, Ignore all if I want to subsequently review in context as previously described. or I Add the word to the custom dictionary, which I also use perversely ;)

If a misspelt word is peculiar to a document, e.g. a place name, persons name etc, I add it to the custom dictionary.

When I finish a document I replace RoamingCustom.dic with a 'starter' version of it, which gets rid of the document specific "Added" words.

It's the nearest I can get to having a document specific custom dictionary. I can't recall which WP program I used that had them - WordPerfect, Multimate, Gypsy, who knows ? From time to time I consider saving the end of checking RoamingCustom.dic file to the calibre book where I have the DOCX, but I never do.

So, when I hit Recheck Document I don't get many misspellings that I have to Ignore Once again.



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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749179)
Side Note: This categorization is also a frustrating point in Word's grammarcheck.

When you get a suggestion, you have no idea WHAT rule/category this "error" actually hit, because it doesn't tell you. Look at the screenshot I gave in Post #1 for Word:

This seems to 'fixed' in Office 356 Word, the Editor Box has this:

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749179)
lol, with book-sized documents, I usually get the "There are too many results to show here".

I don't think I get that as much as I used to, maybe because I went from 6GB to 16GB of RAM

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749179)
Are these default shortcuts? I tried them on my end and they didn't work.

My Ctrl+Home jumped me near the beginning of the document. And the Alt+Numpad+ inserted an equation.

Probably not - I do a lot of keyboard shortcut customisations in most programs, trying to make them consistent, coherent etc.

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749179)
Side Note: I also went into File > Options > Customize Ribbon > Keyboard Shortcuts: Customize... (ugh, what a way to bury shortcuts). And I couldn't easily find a "Find Next Misspelled Word". According to a quick search online it may be Alt+F7... where it's buried in the menus though, no idea.

I probably don't have a problem with it because I spent a lot of time sorting it out when the Ribbons first appeared. IIRC back in the days of evil menus and loathsome button bars, kb shortcuts were no easier to set, and arguably worse. Now at least just about everything can be given a kb short, which I'm not sure has always been the case.

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749179)
Why oh why couldn't it be more like Sigil/Calibre's Shortcut pages? Full search + you could easily see what's assigned to what.

I assume you're referring to the calibre editor. The library manager has the ability to give everything under the sun a shortcut, but there was no way to see a list of them that you can sort like Sigil's list. I had to sweet talk DaltonST into adding a blade to his JobSpy toolbag to do it.


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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749179)
Side Note: And Grammarly is horrendous. You can see how the one-by-one annoyed The Digital Reader in his review: https://the-digital-reader.com/2017/...ing-grammarly/

I looked at Grammerly once - for all of five minutes :eek:

Question - anyone have any idea why the context menu for a spelling error has an Ignore All option, but not an Ignore Once option. IIRC it's been ever thus.

BR

PS; Office 365 Word has an option to opt-out of so-called Intelligent Services. I don't know if or how it works or not. Maybe if you opt out they broadcast a message to the Intelligence Services.

Tex2002ans 09-17-2018 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Doitsu (Post 3749228)
I'm afraid that's beyond my limited Python skills.

Well put the idea in your back pocket. :P

I also wanted to get these thoughts out there, and see what others thought on this Spelling/Grammar situation.

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749254)
I went away and read up on the Editor Pane, it looked interesting.

Not much even shows up in a search. I found it buried in a single line in one of the changelogs.

Sometimes they call it an "Editor Pane", other times an "Editor Overview Pane" or "Editor" (this last one isn't helpful AT ALL for search!):

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...5ecf039?auth=1

https://support.office.com/en-us/art...rs=en-US&ad=US

And even a lot of their official posts are inconsistent.

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749254)
PS; Office 365 Word has an option to opt-out of so-called Intelligent Services. I don't know if or how it works or not. Maybe if you opt out they broadcast a message to the Intelligence Services.

And the new Editor Pane won't work if you disable "Intelligent Services" (from the 2nd link above):

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Not seeing Editor?

Requirements and availability of Editor include the following:

Internet connection: Make sure your connection is working.

Intelligent Services switched on: Go to File > Options > General and turn on Office Intelligence Service.
If you enable that, you also agree to share your info with them:

https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749254)
So I have it on a 1 month trial, I'll be responding based on my limited usage of it.

Nice, let us know how it works. The information about it is pretty sparse online:

There are only ~9500 hits for "Editor Pane" + "Microsoft Word", most of it was articles parroting off the same talking points from Microsoft's blog. No real info, just the same copied/pasted paragraphs.

And even Microsoft's blog barely has any info on it. And the handful of pages I found discussing the Editor Pane were all over the place (there was even a post+video from February announcing it and showing off its functionality... and the video is down!)

Youtube barely has any hits.

I doubt there's any in-depth review of this thing.

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749254)
I don't change the options under the Settings button. What I do is uncheck/check Check grammar with spelling, and when its checked I select the Writing Style check I want - Grammar or Grammar & Refinements

Hmmm, okay. I'll have to fiddle around with it again. I usually just keep it on just Grammar (it already had enough false positive issues!).

And I remember last time I messed around with it, it reset the document (perhaps my memory is wrong).

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749254)
For spelling I don't do many Ignore Once's. I correct, Ignore all if I want to subsequently review in context as previously described.

I use Ignore quite often.

The books I work on have a lot of French/German/Greek words interspersed throughout (or potentially odd stuff like book/article titles). And while it might be valid in case A, it may not be valid in case B.

Also ye olde time spelling, might be valid in a quotation, but wrong in the text itself.

Or same with English US/UK spellings. Might be valid in a quote, but not outside.

You have to be very careful with these things! :P

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749254)
This seems to 'fixed' in Office 356 Word, the Editor Box has this:

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Indeed. Seeing that little line in there just perfectly amplified the anger I have with the current Word grammarcheck system. :P

And their handful of categories are much too broad (it should break down like LanguageTool's rule > specific check hierarchy). Because sometimes just a single rule causes false positives to go through the roof.

Do you still have to Ignore Ignore one at a time? Or can you Ignore the entire rule from there?

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749254)
I don't think I get that as much as I used to, maybe because I went from 6GB to 16GB of RAM

Get it all the time. Probably has something to do with RAM usage, but I have 16GB as well. Probably just the sheer size of books I work on. :P

The worst is when you are partway through correction a giant book, and then you get the popup and all the squigglies disappear. Even if you then delete the second half of the book, ain't no way you get your squigglies back!

(One of the reasons why I prefer a tool that just runs on the entire document and lists all the errors... like LanguageTool.)

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749254)
I probably don't have a problem with it because I spent a lot of time sorting it out when the Ribbons first appeared. IIRC back in the days of evil menus and loathsome button bars, kb shortcuts were no easier to set, and arguably worse. Now at least just about everything can be given a kb short, which I'm not sure has always been the case.

LibreOffice's isn't as nice as Sigil's, but it also has a Search. Their keyboard shortcuts are found in Tools > Customize > Keyboard.

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749254)
I looked at Grammerly once - for all of five minutes :eek:

On this hunt for alternate tools... it was so frustrating.

All the "Top 5 list of Grammar Checkers" or "Top 10 Grammar Tools" or "List of Grammar Checker" articles. 99.9% of them pointed to things which redirected right to Grammarly (or now used Grammarly in the backend). (And rarely do these sites even mention LanguageTool.)

You pasted in your sample text? Redirects to Grammarly.
Try this other site? "Why don't you log in using Facebook" and sends you to Grammarly!
Wow, a top 20 list, there MUST be something in there that works. Grammarly!

I can give them one thing, their damn marketing drowns out any sort of meaningful competition.

A few days ago I did run across a reference to a whitepaper (believe it was based on a PhD where someone designed more accurate grammar recommendations). It was one of the few online tools that actually still existed and wasn't overrun by them! Sadly, it was mostly an API, and the online portion was extremely limited.

BetterRed 09-17-2018 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749356)
Sometimes they call it an "Editor Pane", other times an "Editor Overview Pane" or "Editor" (this last one isn't helpful AT ALL for search!):

And even a lot of their official posts are inconsistent.

This is what whetted my appetite ==>> https://www.zdnet.com/article/micros...better-writer/



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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749356)
And the new Editor Pane won't work if you disable "Intelligent Services" . . .

If you enable that, you also agree to share your info with . . .

Not sure if that's entirely true.

I also have a suspicion that it gets re-enabled if you have Mark grammar errors as you type and/or Check grammar with spelling checked, without so much as a 'by your leave sir/madam'. More testing needed.

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749356)
Nice, let us know how it works. The information about it is pretty sparse online:

There are only ~9500 hits for "Editor Pane" + "Microsoft Word", most of it was articles parroting off the same talking points from Microsoft's blog. No real info, just the same copied/pasted paragraphs.

I doubt there's any in-depth review of this thing.

Yeah I know, and most of items are quite old - if you limit search to Past Year you get sweet bugger all... nearly.

Those who have the knowledge to do an impartial review don't write for the hoi-polloi, and those that have the knowledge don't write reviews for software. Most internet hacks would scratch their heads wondering what giving birth or designing transport corridors has to do with writing, and couldn't differentiate a past participle from their grannies left gumboot :rofl:

Whoops, hit Submit when I wanted Preview - to be continued

BR

BetterRed 09-18-2018 12:48 AM

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Whoops, hit Submit when I wanted Preview - to be continued. . .

And here it is, one walk, one shopping trip and a lunch later.


Several of the MS and coffee&pasta posts had this

https://support.content.office.net/e...8bb8538d58.png

I cant find it. Some of the posts that have it, refer to Insider versions, so perhaps it didn't make it into the final cut. If anyone has it, can they tell me where they found it.

And, back to the issue of keyboard shortcuts. You don't really need them in Office 2007-16 because everything in the ribbon tabs can be accessed with single finger keystrokes. Providing the first one pressed is the Alt key, the Ribbon will get a bunch of indicators showing what key(s) map to what. FX:- for me ePubTools is Y3; and within that; Dialogue check is Y1.


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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749356)
I use Ignore quite often.

The books I work on have a lot of French/German/Greek words interspersed throughout (or potentially odd stuff like book/article titles). And while it might be valid in case A, it may not be valid in case B.

Also ye olde time spelling, might be valid in a quotation, but wrong in the text itself.

Or same with English US/UK spellings. Might be valid in a quote, but not outside.

You have to be very careful with these things! :P

For non-English text I set the language to French, Italian, etc, and check the Do not check spelling or grammar option. Frequently occurring foreign words, usually get globally replaced with the required language, and Do not check... set.

I make multiple passes focusing on different issues, rather than doing everything within a single pass. Spelling is the first pass, if I see a punctuation, grammar or style error I fix it there and then - according to my rules.


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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749356)
Indeed. Seeing that little line in there just perfectly amplified the anger I have with the current Word grammarcheck system. :P

And their handful of categories are much too broad (it should break down like LanguageTool's rule > specific check hierarchy). Because sometimes just a single rule causes false positives to go through the roof.

Do you still have to Ignore Ignore one at a time? Or can you Ignore the entire rule from there?

Nope. Yep.

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As you can almost see there are more 'Grammar' checks, sadly the dialogue box is fixed size :( BTW: any idea what the issue with the word 'Lack' might be, like how does it get misused - confused with Lakh?

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749356)
(One of the reasons why I prefer a tool that just runs on the entire document and lists all the errors... like LanguageTool.)

LibreOffice's isn't as nice as Sigil's, but it also has a Search. Their keyboard shortcuts are found in Tools > Customize > Keyboard.

I wish the LT Add-On for Word was as functional as the one in Libre Writer. I gave up on it because it crashed/wedged a lot. Maybe its been updated - I should take a look. When I use Libre Writer I feel I've gone back to the 1990s.

Sigil's KB shortcut feature would be perfect if it showed the default and the customised settings, and I didn't sometimes lose my custom settings when I install a new version.

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749356)
A few days ago I did run across a reference to a whitepaper (believe it was based on a PhD where someone designed more accurate grammar recommendations). It was one of the few online tools that actually still existed and wasn't overrun by them! Sadly, it was mostly an API, and the online portion was extremely limited.

It'll take me a while to get my head around what the Editor feature of Word offers grammar-wise. Its UI is an improvement and I like the fact it has a way to access its settings from within itself -- there should be more of that in all software.

:offtopic: somewhat,

Like many people I wasn't enamoured with the flat plastic look of Win 10's Settings App. The other day I downloaded a flat plastic File Manager App, it was very rudimentary so I've not kept it.

However in playing with it, I discovered I could intuitively navigate my way around its UI with just the Tab and arrow keys, remember I don't like pointy things like mice and trackpads. No more accelerator keys, e.g. Alt+G for Grouping and Alt+G for Algorithm. I've since discovered that the various flat plastic Apps (I hate that word) MS ships are similar. So perhaps the flat plastic is not as bad as I first thought.

BR

Tex2002ans 09-18-2018 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749535)
Not sure if that's entirely true.

I also have a suspicion that it gets re-enabled if you have Mark grammar errors as you type and/or Check grammar with spelling checked, without so much as a 'by your leave sir/madam'. More testing needed.

Well let me know. Their documentation is clashing. Some people complained that if you disabled "Intelligent Services", you just fell back to the old "Spelling & Grammar" dialog.

And they also tied that Editor into Bing (Definitions + Translation probably pulls definitions from there too). So they probably want to get all your approval before sending all your info to Microsoft-middlemen.

No Bing? No spying? No new Editor Pane for you! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749578)
Several of the MS and coffee&pasta posts had this

https://support.content.office.net/e...8bb8538d58.png

I cant find it. Some of the posts that have it, refer to Insider versions, so perhaps it didn't make it into the final cut. If anyone has it, can they tell me where they found it.

From what I gathered, that would've been the first thing popping up if you pressed F7. You would then be able to choose which category you wanted to focus on (sort of the crux of this thread).

It even shows it in this thread (people complaining about Readability Statistics being broken for a few months):

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...1-b8a70b682eee

in an image from September 6.

Did you do a fresh install, or did it carry over a lot of your previous settings?

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749578)
Providing the first one pressed is the Alt key, the Ribbon will get a bunch of indicators showing what key(s) map to what.

Speaking of usability, why can't the mouse scroll work when hovering over menu items that have multiple rows:

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If you click your cursor onto some text, the Style which matches gets a little border around it (in the above image, you can see it around "Normal").

If the Style doesn't exist in that first row though...

You hover your mouse over the Style box. Mouse scroll changes tabs left/right (Home <-> Insert <-> Layout) instead of styles scrolling up/down. Instead, you have to press the little itty buttons on the right edge... to clunkily scroll through styles a handful at a time. So dumb!

(Yes, I also know you could pop out the entire Styles Pane [pressing the little itty bitty arrow in the bottom right of my image].)

Side Note: Lately, I've also been a proponent of Select > Select All Text With Similar Formatting:

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This is super helpful when trying to clean up garbage Styles (either copied/pasted from the Internet, or junk from conversions). (Note: It does bring your computer to a crawl if you use it on enormous documents. Word probably doesn't like thousands of discrete highlighted pieces of text. :P)

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749578)
I make multiple passes focusing on different issues, rather than doing everything within a single pass. Spelling is the first pass, if I see a punctuation, grammar or style error I fix it there and then - according to my rules.

Passes are the most efficient way! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749578)
As you can almost see there are more 'Grammar' checks, sadly the dialogue box is fixed size :( BTW: any idea what the issue with the word 'Lack' might be, like how does it get misused - confused with Lakh?

Nice, that looks marginally better. The one in Word 2010/2016 is quite lakhing. :P

Side Note: Probably all the different meanings/forms smashed into a single word. In a quick search, I found this link:

http://elss.elc.cityu.edu.hk/ELSS/Re...ords%20(Lack)/

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Many Hong Kong students use 'lack' and 'lack of' wrongly. This exercise is to show the difference and to help you understand which one to use in which situation.

Introduction:
'Lack' is both a verb and a noun. For example, using 'lack' as a verb you can say 'Someone lacks something.', and as a noun 'There is a lack of something.'
It has a lot of sample sentences that might cause confusion.

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749578)
I wish the LT Add-On for Word was as functional as the one in Libre Writer. I gave up on it because it crashed/wedged a lot. Maybe its been updated - I should take a look. When I use Libre Writer I feel I've gone back to the 1990s.

I mostly just don't use any Word Processors (I use Notepad++ or any other basic editors).

If I do, I lean on LibreOffice (due to being free + working on all OSes). I'm actually one that much prefers the "Word 2003" look, and am not the largest fan of the Ribbon.

(One of the things I like is that little Search box right above the ribbon though, where you can search for specific settings/buttons. That's helpful when you rarely do a task, and have no idea where it is buried in the buttons/menus.)

And if I ever had to generate printable documents, I would just stick with LaTeX. You can pry that beautiful typography from my cold, dead, impeccably typeset hands. :P

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749578)
Sigil's KB shortcut feature would be perfect if it showed the default and the customised settings, and I didn't sometimes lose my custom settings when I install a new version.

Or maybe it could do something like Firefox's about:preferences. If it's different from default, it would bold the line.

And maybe not just a "Reset All" button, but a "Reset" button could be added.

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749578)
I've since discovered that the various flat plastic Apps (I hate that word) MS ships are similar. So perhaps the flat plastic is not as bad as I first thought.

Barf!

The thing that frustrates me is each version, they keep trying to shove more and more of these "flat" versions of Settings down your throat, but they don't even have the full functionality of the old ones! (Network settings is the perfect example. It's absolute garbage. You can't change anything meaningful within it. Only "Copy" info.)

BetterRed 09-18-2018 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749605)
Well let me know. Their documentation is clashing. Some people complained that if you disabled "Intelligent Services", you just fell back to the old "Spelling & Grammar" dialog.

Yes... well... sometimes... maybe... er... wtf!

At one stage when I had IntelliServ disabled I got the really old (2007) spelling and grammar popup dialogue. The one where you could edit the fragment of text that was displayed in the 'error' popup - IMO that was the best one.

But most of the time I'm getting the Editor Pane even though IntelliServ is unchecked. But here's the rub - sometimes when I go to Options->General IntelliServ is checked, and I'm positive it wasn't checked by me! My guess it that gets enabled behind the arras if there's a network connection, but it takes a while for the UI to wake up to that bit of jiggery-pokery, so it shows unchecked. This could be something specific to it being a Trial install, i.e. they want you to play with goodies so that you'll fall in love with them and shell out your money. I'll pull the plug on the network and see what happens

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749605)
From what I gathered, that would've been the first thing popping up if you pressed F7. You would then be able to choose which category you wanted to focus on (sort of the crux of this thread).

It even shows it in this thread (people complaining about Readability Statistics being broken for a few months):

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...1-b8a70b682eee

in an image from September 6.

I presume you mean the Jay Freedman post, that screen shot is from the Office Insider Monthly Channel (Targeted) build, Version 1808 build 10730.20088. build - he predicts it'll be in the next Final Cut :lol:

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749605)
Did you do a fresh install, or did it carry over a lot of your previous settings?

Over the top, I wasn't offered a choice. Basically it's a great big wrapper around regular Office 2016, which I already had. That's why it didn't download much. Its a Trial, so they're going to make it easy.



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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749605)
Speaking of usability, why can't the mouse scroll work when hovering over menu items that have multiple rows:

Attachment 166367

If you click your cursor onto some text, the Style which matches gets a little border around it (in the above image, you can see it around "Normal").

If the Style doesn't exist in that first row though...

You hover your mouse over the Style box. Mouse scroll changes tabs left/right (Home <-> Insert <-> Layout) instead of styles scrolling up/down. Instead, you have to press the little itty buttons on the right edge... to clunkily scroll through styles a handful at a time. So dumb!

(Yes, I also know you could pop out the entire Styles Pane [pressing the little itty bitty arrow in the bottom right of my image].)

What would I know about mouse operations :D

If I wanted to see which style is in use, I would use the context menu, viz:

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749605)
Side Note: Lately, I've also been a proponent of Select > Select All Text With Similar Formatting:

I recall selecting that option once looking for 18 point helvetica (or similar), the whole document was yellow highlighted and most of it was TNR 12 point. I have a macro that tries to delete unused styles.


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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749605)
Or maybe it [Keyboard Shortcuts] could do something like Firefox's about:preferences. If it's different from default, it would bold the line.

And maybe not just a "Reset All" button, but a "Reset" button could be added.

I want to see the default value so that if I respond to someone's "How do I blah-blah . . ." question I don't give them a bum steer by telling them to use one of my customised kb shorts. Sometimes I forget, that I reassigned them.

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Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3749605)
The thing that frustrates me is each version, they keep trying to shove more and more of these "flat" versions of Settings down your throat, but they don't even have the full functionality of the old ones! (Network settings is the perfect example. It's absolute garbage. You can't change anything meaningful within it. Only "Copy" info.)

If I want to do anything serious with configuring (such as the network), I start at the Control Panel. But some things in Settings are better - Bluetooth, Windows Update (in Pro), Security. It's a W.I.P. - remember WFW3.1 or XP.

BR

BetterRed 09-18-2018 07:37 PM

Well, I pulled the plug on the network - and I had Intelligent Services checked and I got the Editor Pane, and I could not induce it to revert to the 2007 dialogue! I checked Intelligent Services - same deal.

I'm going to do a no-network test with everything in Settings checked :(

Oh, I discovered this morning that setting of Windows Default Programs is even worse in 1803 than it was in 1709 --- just like they did the previous bazillion times they've tampered with it. And they nuked the old one in Control Panel.

BR

BetterRed 09-27-2018 06:23 AM

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For the past couple of days I've been using Word 365, including the Editor Pane on an isolated machine - i.e. no network, not even an avian carrier connection.

Seems to me that having or not having Intelligent Services (IS) checked makes not one scrap of difference to the current Editor Pane functionality. I say current because I'm wondering if... as they add functionality to grammar checking... they will do what Language Tools have done, make it a chargeable service - LT want $AU79 per annum for their latest and greatest... ouch.

One feature that does need Intelligent Services is, unsurprisingly, Word's Translation tool, if it's unchecked you get this

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If the Editor Pane needed IS then it's reasonable to assume it would have a similar popup. Yes I did check every option in Settings, and I did test most conditions.

BR

Tex2002ans 09-29-2018 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749653)
At one stage when I had IntelliServ disabled I got the really old (2007) spelling and grammar popup dialogue. The one where you could edit the fragment of text that was displayed in the 'error' popup - IMO that was the best one.

Yeah, an editable box does seem like it would be the best method.

Then your eyes could focus purely on that section of the screen, instead of having to jump back and forth from the right-side pane to the middle-document.

Complete Side Note: While poking around in standalone LanguageTool's options, I also found "Underline Color of Category". You're able to color code all the different types of errors shown in Post #4. That's a really nice touch!

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3752891)
I say current because I'm wondering if... as they add functionality to grammar checking... they will do what Language Tools have done, make it a chargeable service - LT want $AU79 per annum for their latest and greatest... ouch.

lol, wouldn't be surprised with Microsoft trying to pull that: "But now this version IS IN THE CLOUD! Powered by AI!"

And LanguageTool charging? Eh? (I had no idea, did they do a recent site redesign?)

And with LanguageTool Plus, it looks like it:
  • Allows you to not have a 20k character limit in the online version
  • Allows you to get access to the Microsoft Word Add-in
  • You get "hundreds of extra rules" too
    • Most of those are probably hogwash (similar to complaints I hear about Grammarly's pro version).

The standalone, LibreOffice plugin, and browser plugins are still perfectly free.

Side Note: From what I could gather, LanguageTool disabled donations about a year ago + laid the groundwork for Plus. LanguageTool's donations were <€50 per month, and caused a lot more overhead in taxes + documentation which made it not worth it at all:

https://forum.languagetool.org/t/upd...guagetool/1713

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3752891)
Seems to me that having or not having Intelligent Services (IS) checked makes not one scrap of difference to the current Editor Pane functionality.

Hmmmm. Now speaking of "extra rules" in LanguageTool Plus... I wonder if enabling IS in Office 365 would enable more grammar rules to be checked?

You know what would help you tell how many hits there are? A List-Based method. :rofl:

Everything below this is more ranting! :P

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749653)
Over the top, I wasn't offered a choice. Basically it's a great big wrapper around regular Office 2016, which I already had. That's why it didn't download much. Its a Trial, so they're going to make it easy.

That's another thing that frustrates me: not being able to install Office wherever you want. It just auto-installs, no choice, no customization!

(Yes, I know you can go mess with all this garbage in the Registry beforehand. Absolutely absurd.)

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749653)
If I wanted to see which style is in use, I would use the context menu, viz:

Good idea, I'll have to test that next time.

I rarely ever right click on stuff. The only thing I recalled being in that menu is Cut/Paste. And I feel like you, always using the keyboard shortcuts for that. :D

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3749836)
Oh, I discovered this morning that setting of Windows Default Programs is even worse in 1803 than it was in 1709 --- just like they did the previous bazillion times they've tampered with it. And they nuked the old one in Control Panel.

Yeah, this resetting the defaults is getting very bad now.

I don't want damn Edge to open up PDFs!

Tex2002ans 10-31-2018 03:23 AM

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I randomly stumbled across Antidote, which is a grammarchecking tool that does split different categories/errors into lists (here's an image out of their manual):

Attachment 167350

Also looks like they allow you to correct entire "similar errors" in one shot, or easily highlight/jump to the next specific case.

They also use solid/dashed/wavy red/orange lines to indicate type/severity of corrections.

Looks like it was initially a French only tool, but a few years ago they expanded into English too.

The price is quite steep, ~$130.

Looks like they temporarily took it down for sale from their site, because November 7th they're going to be coming out with a new v10.

BetterRed 10-31-2018 05:45 AM

Diarised ;)

BetterRed 11-08-2018 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3767567)
Diarised ;)

Couldn't find a time limited free trial, so have mailed them asking if they have such a thing. I suspect not :(

BR

Tex2002ans 11-08-2018 10:44 AM

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Couldn't find a time limited free trial, so have mailed them asking if they have such a thing. I suspect not :(

Yeah, they say NO FREE TRIALS on their website. Only for purchase.

I've been dabbling around a bit with Antidote 9. I'll probably have a more thorough review at a later date.

I like how it splits issues into 3 broad categories: Language + Typography + Style. Selecting each category highlights the text in the middle with the issues + lists errors on the right.

There are many false positives, but it's very easy to skip/ignore most of them in mass (because of the list form).

And they did implement quite a few of the things I mentioned:

Attachment 167527
  • You're able to drill down many of the errors per category.
    • See Image #1 on left side. For example, I chose Error Types and then was able to choose Spelling > National Variants. And on the right side you only see the list of potential misspellings or odd word choices (British <-> American).
  • When multiple of the same error occur, you can:
    • Ignore This Case + Ignore These Cases
      • It works just as good as I expected it to, and the wording was very intuitive.
    • See a list of errors and easily jump to the locations in the text.
      • If you want, you can double-click on the errors and it would auto-correct.
      • Annoyance: See Image #1 on right side. The little gray 14. Fantastic! 14 hits of "judgment"!

        But when you expand, it doesn't give you context. Just 14 "judgment" in a row. (So you easily lose which one you are correcting or jumped to.)

        This became an enormous issue with punctuation. You just get a giant list of 100s " in a row.
      • Annoyance #2: You aren't able to sort the lists. (Either alphabetical or # hits). It only displays the order they appear in the text.

There's also a "Repetition" checker:

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  • Pro: Usually the checkers I've seen only do exact word matches. This one takes into account root words: "appropriated" + "unappropriate" + "appropriator".
  • Annoyance: The list on the Right Side is so hard to use. Again, it lists in order it occurs in the document! SO easy to lose your place.

    Would be nice to also sort by Alphabetical/# hits. For example, search by # hits so I can focus on the areas that repeat THE MOST. Or alphabetical so I can see "wow, I repeated 'appropriate' too close X many times throughout this document, maybe I should remember that".
  • Annoyance #2: No idea what the "Range" slider is exactly (see VERY bottom right of image). Why doesn't it just tell me how many words/sentences away it'll look? Why not like TeXStudio where you can just set the numbers?

    I tried to tick the slider left/right, but it just caused the entire document to regenerate from scratch (too long, plus it removed my previously Ignored errors).
  • Annoyance #3: There are only 2 highlight colors + 1 for the currently selected word. As you can see, the middle easily becomes a big jumbled mess of light blue/purple.

On a similar note, the "Inconsistencies" was very good and also took into account root words + hyphenation (so it would catch "honor" + "honoured" + "semi-honourably").

Because Antidote also breaks each word into parts of speech, it was able to catch some typos I otherwise never would've been able to find:

A few capital words in the middle of a sentence (turns out PDF had speck of dust in the upper right of 'h' turning it into 'H'):

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Incredible that these would still be Here when she was gone! Incredible that she was going, actually going!

She had been so Hurt that she no longer felt pain, but her soul was nauseated.

BetterRed 11-08-2018 05:55 PM

AU$150 is far more than I'm willing to pay for a non perpetual software license - especially sight unseen. It would only be for my personal use now.

BR

Doitsu 11-08-2018 06:15 PM

@Tex2002ans Can you please check these test sentences with Antidote 9?

Tex2002ans 11-09-2018 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Doitsu (Post 3771715)
@Tex2002ans Can you please check these test sentences with Antidote 9?

Antidote 9 corrections in ().

Out of 242 sentences:

Wrong (11)

Spoiler:
You an (and) set the mapred.child.java.opts on a per job basis.
And when we the original versions of that (those) patches have been removed, we will have won.
I have already been thing about embedding an (a) SMTP server.
I must admin (points out a Verb Missing here) that my code is very i18n unfriendly.
Regarding nutch (says mispelling of notch), I especially interested in using it as a framework.
Working with brunches is a pain, I busy enough to keep in sync with cvs (CVS) head.
May we can do some test scripts.(?)
he (He) talk will give an overview about what the new version of the office suite is capable of.
Version 3.0 fixes a multiple bugs (bug) and improves the installation process.
All of you a (an) invited to join.
Followed by and word that is not "and" or "to" (too).


Ambiguous (7)

It gave a potential correction, but it could have gone multiple ways. [My interpretation in brackets.]

Spoiler:
I will tell he (her) the truth. [The sentence sucks.]
It can defined (define) like that. ["can be defined"]
Errors will now be underlines. (underlined) [Can go either way. The original seems fine to me.]
Bit myspell (misspell) standard does not handle this correctly , e.g. it support phrase searches. [Not even sure I get this one?]
Splash screen images can be have (having) GIF, PNG, or JPEG formats. ["can be GIF" or "can have GIF"]
And these can no (now) be replaced by core JDK classes. [I think this could also be "not"]
This may be prove (proved) fruitful than you might think. [I think the sentence sucks. "This may prove more fruitful"]


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Spoiler:
Ah, you got to love those wacky writes at The Atlantic.
The video on this page is a nice demonstration of what is going one inside deep learning algorithms.
Your pretty.
Tom knows is another question.
I haven't seen them during ages.
We know that our brains our not perfect.
You can learn about new kids of trees by looking around.
Power it up, and it them will go.
We can learn what life is like other countries.
Today, computers and now better at thinking.
This all possible because life is cool.
The narrator is surprisingly important for audiobooks. Enjoyed The Sportswriter by Ford. Don't even what it's about, just love that voice.
I order my salad and pay online; then just I walk down to Bridgepoint Cafe and pick it up.
Its Buffy the vampire slayer time.
Its really hard sometimes.
Until its dried a little, we have to use it.
Don't you set down on the steps
How many protons and neutrons do theses elements have?
I will write a getting started page for it and at it to our wiki.
The rule runs in five seconds, which is twice as slower as other rules.
Looking forward to meet you.
Bee hosted the entire project, from start to finish, too just over one month.
I think you hit the nail on the hit though.
So I confused things a but and it was Kai Ahrens who had planned that.
But now it seems to be the perfect time because the old structure doesn't work anymore and have to be changed anyway.
So I can up with the idea of implementing at taco.
That being sad, we should just go to the store.
The my search could just return docs.
Thank you very match for your answer.
They will be read again by then next call of the scanning method.
I originally thought is was a subversion problem.
It's great someone is nor working on it.
I agree that Matt and Zack do not understand why there are complains from community.
As I sad before, XQuery is much better.
This approach ash turned out to be considerably faster.
The element can have for different kinds of child elements.
Access to content was quite ease.
The I had to prepare my own presentation about it.
Every language has his own dictionary.
How is would this constructor be useful?
I will use and online and offline index.
People have reported better success with Tomcat then with Jetty.
This depends of the documents number n_d for a term.
Does this book really exit?
My brother is in the some situation.
I use have an interface for my readers in reader-valued fields to support this.
I think it is party right what you write.
I can't explain you the difference
It seems that is might be straightforward to implement a multi-threaded merge.
In general I would say yes, but I don't know your requirements are.
You're right, and that's actually at the hard of the issue.
I'm using Lucene/PyLucene is that makes a difference.
I did want you said but still got errors.
I copied the war file to /root/ but I getting errors.
Here is a list of things that need to be done so that another language can use of OpenThesaurus to create their own thesaurus.
Are not there any disadvantages in the area of getting good page scores?
He is in vacation this week.
It is difficult to speeding this process up more.
Data comes throw the network.
Note that this only work for small sites.
Yes, I do you the same analyzer for indexing and searching.
In this case Lucene would run of memory too.
Just split thinks and setup a huge query farm that hopefully can handle the load?
When I look ate the code it seems good.
This is not the same thing than that.
If you a developer feels like reviewing.
May we can do some test scripts.
Them check if there are any apples.
Again, this is just a request - but it you guys think it's not going to be widely used feel free to ignore it.
I'm very happy to announce that we join the new group.
I the data changes, one server will know the change.
If you a pretty sure of the quality of the query.
Does this really happen always you select another folder?
One problem is that you often don't where a sentence starts and ends.
And continue until the last one without out being interrupted.
This allows is to really just have one place where we have to write our code.
I'll leave it us to you to decide whether to include this.
Is sorting works properly.
Constructs an initializes a weight for a top-level query.
If you require a further information please let me know.
The application could separately a document into several documents.
And it is nice to edit in a mode in which you can to limited damage to the site.
So we have not attribute for that.
I was surprised to found this limitation.
Is someone is using Mozilla, thunderbird or KMail, I am happy.
For time to time, I will post tips.
It is even worst than top-posting.
That being sad, I do love tacos.
This group meet on Mondays 3pm German time on a regular basis.
This group meets on Mondays 3pm German time on regular basis.
Your right, but for a silly reason.
The demand for branching off OOD680 is not that high as expected.
The I tried to think of a way to reduce the number.
You could not have chosen a worst example.
Here we, have a local directory on the left.
This is a philosophically question.
Here you can how it is possible to feel pictures with free software!
The problem could not by solved by the spellchecker.
And it uses Lucene for all it's searching.
There is a know bug in Netscape Navigator version 4.0.x.
It should index ad search the Arabic/English text.
When I first me my future wife.


The rest it corrected correctly (122/242).

Doitsu 11-09-2018 05:34 AM

@Tex2002ans Thanks for the test! :thanks:

I tested the 102 sentences that Antidote 9 missed with LanguageTool and it flagged 40 of them:

(Many sentences contain multiple errors; I listed all sentences for which LanguageTool provided at least one meaningful correction.)

Spoiler:
The video on this page is a nice demonstration of what is going one inside deep learning algorithms. [one > on]
Your pretty. [Your > You're]
I haven't seen them during ages. [during > for]
Don't even what it's about, just love that voice. [verb missing]
How many protons and neutrons do theses elements have? [theses > these]
The rule runs in five seconds, which is twice as slower as other rules. [slower > slow]
Looking forward to meet you. [meet > meeting]
I think you hit the nail on the hit though. [hit > head]
So I confused things a but and it was Kai Ahrens who had planned that. [but > bit]
That being sad, we should just go to the store. [sad > said]
I originally thought is was a subversion problem. [is > it]
The my search could just return docs. [The my > The|My]
Thank you very match for your answer. [very match > very much]
I agree that Matt and Zack do not understand why there are complains from community. [complains > complaints]
As I sad before, XQuery is much better. [sad > said]
Access to content was quite ease. [ease > easy]
The I had to prepare my own presentation about it. [The I > The|I]
How is would this constructor be useful? [is would > is|would]
This depends of the documents number n_d for a term. [depends > depends on]
My brother is in the some situation. [some > same]
I can't explain you the difference [explain > explain + preposition]
You're right, and that's actually at the hard of the issue. [hard > heart]
I copied the war file to /root/ but I getting errors. [getting > I am getting|I get]
I the data changes, one server will know the change. [I > If]
He is in vacation this week. [in > on]
It is difficult to speeding this process up more. [speeding > speed]
Data comes throw the network. [throw > through]
When I look ate the code it seems good. [ate > at]
Them check if there are any apples. [Them > Then]
I the data changes, one server will know the change. [I > If]
Does this really happen always you select another folder? [happen always > always happen]
One problem is that you often don't where a sentence starts and ends. [verb missing]
And continue until the last one without out being interrupted. [without out > without]
For time to time, I will post tips. [For > From]
It is even worst than top-posting. [worst > iller|worse]
That being sad, I do love tacos. [sad > said]
Your right, but for a silly reason. [Your > You're]
The I tried to think of a way to reduce the number. [The I > The|I]
Here you can how it is possible to feel pictures with free software! [verb missing]
There is a know bug in Netscape Navigator version 4.0.x. [know > known]

BetterRed 11-09-2018 06:12 AM

@Doitsu - could you post the 62 LT didn't flag.

BR

Doitsu 11-09-2018 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3771916)
@Doitsu - could you post the 62 LT didn't flag.

Here you go:

Spoiler:
Tom knows is another question.
We know that our brains our not perfect.
You can learn about new kids of trees by looking around.
Power it up, and it them will go.
We can learn what life is like other countries.
Today, computers and now better at thinking.
This all possible because life is cool.
The narrator is surprisingly important for audiobooks. Enjoyed The Sportswriter by Ford.
I order my salad and pay online; then just I walk down to Bridgepoint Cafe and pick it up.
Its Buffy the vampire slayer time.
Its really hard sometimes.
Until its dried a little, we have to use it.
Don't you set down on the steps
I will write a getting started page for it and at it to our wiki.
Bee hosted the entire project, from start to finish, too just over one month.
But now it seems to be the perfect time because the old structure doesn't work anymore and have to be changed anyway.
So I can up with the idea of implementing at taco.
They will be read again by then next call of the scanning method.
It's great someone is nor working on it.
This approach ash turned out to be considerably faster.
The element can have for different kinds of child elements.
Every language has his own dictionary.
I will use and online and offline index.
People have reported better success with Tomcat then with Jetty.
Does this book really exit?
I use have an interface for my readers in reader-valued fields to support this.
I think it is party right what you write.
It seems that is might be straightforward to implement a multi-threaded merge.
In general I would say yes, but I don't know your requirements are.
I'm using Lucene/PyLucene is that makes a difference.
I did want you said but still got errors.
Here is a list of things that need to be done so that another language can use of OpenThesaurus to create their own thesaurus.
Are not there any disadvantages in the area of getting good page scores?
Note that this only work for small sites.
Yes, I do you the same analyzer for indexing and searching.
In this case Lucene would run of memory too.
Just split thinks and setup a huge query farm that hopefully can handle the load?
If you a developer feels like reviewing.
May we can do some test scripts.
Again, this is just a request - but it you guys think it's not going to be widely used feel free to ignore it.
I'm very happy to announce that we join the new group.
If you a pretty sure of the quality of the query.
This allows is to really just have one place where we have to write our code.
I'll leave it us to you to decide whether to include this.
Is sorting works properly.
Constructs an initializes a weight for a top-level query.
If you require a further information please let me know.
The application could separately a document into several documents.
And it is nice to edit in a mode in which you can to limited damage to the site.
So we have not attribute for that.
I was surprised to found this limitation.
Is someone is using Mozilla, thunderbird or KMail, I am happy.
This group meet on Mondays 3pm German time on a regular basis.
This group meets on Mondays 3pm German time on regular basis.
The demand for branching off OOD680 is not that high as expected.
You could not have chosen a worst example.
Here we, have a local directory on the left.
This is a philosophically question.
Here you can how it is possible to feel pictures with free software!
The problem could not by solved by the spellchecker.
And it uses Lucene for all it's searching.
When I first me my future wife.

BetterRed 11-09-2018 04:34 PM

FYI Word 365 picked up a couple of the its/it's and my ePubTools S&R checks picked up two of my common typos - ash/has and exit/exist.

But they don't meet the criteria of presenting a list of errors by type.

BR

Tex2002ans 11-10-2018 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3772151)
FYI Word 365 picked up a couple of the its/it's and my ePubTools S&R checks picked up two of my common typos - ash/has and exit/exist.

I tested Word 2016 on all of them.

Out of 242 sentences:

Correct 1 but Wrong 1 (1)

Code:

And its (it's) cool to fake romances.
but after it corrected, it added:

Code:

And it's cool (cools) to fake romances.
Wrong/Missed (25)

Spoiler:
Before I became and adult (adult,) I assumed that they knew what they were doing.
The narrator is surprisingly important for audiobooks. Enjoyed The (the) Sportswriter by Ford. Don't even what it's about, just love that voice.
I mean yeah (yeah,) its cute; its transportation so I'm not gonna ram it into a tree.
Hey, it's curly in the morning but slowly straightens to get wavyish by the time its dry.
In the examples below, HT should be replaces (replacing) with a tabulation character.
Isn't it more subtle (subtler) then that?
I'm using Lucene/PyLucene is that makes a difference.
I believe the CLucene developers are more focused on providing an indexing/searching library that other can build an application with.
Do you tried browse the ui with lynx?
Regarding nutch, I especially interested in using it as a framework.
Working with brunches is a pain, I busy enough to keep in sync with cvs head.
Again, this is just a request — but it (its) you guys think it's not going to be widely used feel free to ignore it.
It's actually gonna be a little better than the solution the customer is has right now.
he talk (talks) will give an overview about what the new version of the office suite is capable of.
Version 3.0 fixes a multiple bugs (multiple bug) and improves the installation process.
We have to changed either the cws integration/rejecting rules or the mechanisms.
Does OOo has a log file?
Is someone is using Mozilla, thunderbird or KMail, I am happy.
If I interrupt my IndexWriter with a kill signal, must of the time I will be left with a lock file.
All of you a (an) invited to join.
What shell one put into dictionary.lst so that Uzbek (Cyrillic) appears in a language list?
Although I instantiate a new IndexSearcher, it still crashed.
This may be prove (proving/proved/proven) fruitful than you might think.
Rexa can also understands people and grants.
This has been fixes (fixing) some time ago.


Ambiguous (1)

Spoiler:
No doubt were (was) making progress. [or "we're"]


Completely Missed (127)

Spoiler:
Eric and me work at Apple.
Ah, you got to love those wacky writes at The Atlantic.
He gave the ball to I.
Do you want to go to the movies with I?
The video on this page is a nice demonstration of what is going one inside deep learning algorithms.
Your pretty.
Tom knows is another question.
I will tell he the truth.
I haven’t seen them during ages.
Here we introduce problems solving techniques
We know that our brains our not perfect.
You can learn about new kids of trees by looking around.
We all want power the achieve.
Power it up, and it them will go.
We can learn what life is like other countries.
Have your ever wondered about it?
Today, computers and now better at thinking.
This all possible because life is cool.
Some days you got to quite while you're ahead. My experimental results came out great; I'm going home.
I order my salad and pay online; then just I walk down to Bridgepoint Cafe and pick it up.
Its Buffy the vampire slayer time.
Until its dried a little, we have to use it.
Don't you set down on the steps
Sorry but I am a newbie and didn't clearly understood the approach.
Errors will now be underlines.
I will write a getting started page for it and at it to our wiki.
The rule runs in five seconds, which is twice as slower as other rules.
What was its' share in the overall performance cost?
Too bad, that the development has stopped.
If you'd like to give a talk their and present your system, please get in touch with me.
This is too much complex.
Looking forward to meet you.
Bee hosted the entire project, from start to finish, too just over one month.
I think you hit the nail on the hit though.
But now it seems to be the perfect time because the old structure doesn't work anymore and have to be changed anyway.
So I can up with the idea of implementing at taco.
That being sad, we should just go to the store.
Thank you very match for your answer.
They will be read again by then next call of the scanning method.
And when we the original versions of that patches have been removed, we will have won.
The is the "preferred" solution.
It may be more expensive on some filesystems then others.
It's great someone is nor working on it.
There has been changes since 2.0.
I have already been thing about embedding an SMTP server.
I guess by giving to different version of java in the path variable.
It shouldn't not be.
This is pretty much one of its main use cases so you don't have to right one.
It's getting rather late know.
This approach ash turned out to be considerably faster.
The element can have for different kinds of child elements.
Access to content was quite ease.
The I had to prepare my own presentation about it.
Please report this problem to they.
Every language has his own dictionary.
How is would this constructor be useful?
It only matter on multiple CPU machines.
We are looking for people who has expertise in this area.
I will use and online and offline index.
This makes me thing of an article in Linux Journal.
People have reported better success with Tomcat then with Jetty.
A search process has to do usually two thinks.
Does this book really exit?
For example, a database table that has been parse as an XML file should be stored in the index.
I've decided to renamed the project.
I use have an interface for my readers in reader-valued fields to support this.
I think it is party right what you write.
I can't explain you the difference
It seems that is might be straightforward to implement a multi-threaded merge.
In general I would say yes, but I don't know your requirements are.
You're right, and that's actually at the hard of the issue.
I did want you said but still got errors.
I can manually delete the file that are not able to be deleted by the application.
I copied the war file to /root/ but I getting errors.
Are not there any disadvantages in the area of getting good page scores?
He is in vacation this week.
And that make no sense to maintain 2 implementations in one project.
It is difficult to speeding this process up more.
Data comes throw the network.
I have problem with Nutch-04 ver.
Note that this only work for small sites.
It does like file i/o is now your bottleneck.
Yes, I do you the same analyzer for indexing and searching.
In this case Lucene would run of memory too.
Just split thinks and setup a huge query farm that hopefully can handle the load?
Can any one point me to right direction?
This is not the same thing than that.
If you a developer feels like reviewing.
May we can do some test scripts.
Them check if there are any apples.
I'm very happy to announce that we join the new group.
I the data changes, one server will know the change.
If you a pretty sure of the quality of the query.
Does this really happen always you select another folder?
Porting this to a new a new layer would be good.
I think the solution Mark has suggested does solves the problem in an acceptable way.
One problem is that you often don't where a sentence starts and ends.
And continue until the last one without out being interrupted.
This allows is to really just have one place where we have to write our code.
I'll leave it us to you to decide whether to include this.
Is sorting works properly.
Constructs an initializes a weight for a top-level query.
If you require a further information please let me know.
The application could separately a document into several documents.
So what I'm look for is the path like this.
And it is nice to edit in a mode in which you can to limited damage to the site.
So we have not attribute for that.
I was surprised to found this limitation.
Then there's really know way to know.
For time to time, I will post tips.
That being sad, I do love tacos.
Even with you code changes, we are in trouble.
This group meet on Mondays 3pm German time on a regular basis.
This group meets on Mondays 3pm German time on regular basis.
Your right, but for a silly reason.
The demand for branching off OOD680 is not that high as expected.
The I tried to think of a way to reduce the number.
You could not have chosen a worst example.
Here we, have a local directory on the left.
This is a philosophically question.
Here you can how it is possible to feel pictures with free software!
The problem could not by solved by the spellchecker.
It should index ad search the Arabic/English text.
The Bean looks to see if your using multiple search servers.
And it has meet each of these challenges wonderfully.
When I first me my future wife.
Followed by and word that is not "and" or "to".


The rest it correctly corrected (88/242).

Tex2002ans 11-30-2018 08:34 PM

Just saw this article linked over on The Digital Reader:

Grammarly vs. Hairston

which tests Grammarly vs. the difficult sentences in this PDF:

"Not All Errors Are Created Equal: Nonacademic Readers in the Professions Respond to Lapses in Usage" by Maxine Hairston

Of course, the running theme throughout the article is that most Grammarly "corrections" were hidden behind the paywall. And many of its free "corrections" were not good.

Hitch 11-30-2018 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3781197)
Just saw this article linked over on The Digital Reader:

Grammarly vs. Hairston

which tests Grammarly vs. the difficult sentences in this PDF:

"Not All Errors Are Created Equal: Nonacademic Readers in the Professions Respond to Lapses in Usage" by Maxine Hairston

Of course, the running theme throughout the article is that most Grammarly "corrections" were hidden behind the paywall. And many of its free "corrections" were not good.

Well, the idea that most of the corrections were behind the paywall doesn't faze me. It's a commercial product, and they're entitled to make some dough. The parts that don't work are more problematic. I use it--but for a typo-catcher in my browser-based typing. :-) Works GREAT for that.

Hitch

Doitsu 12-02-2018 07:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3781197)
Just saw this article linked over on The Digital Reader:

Grammarly vs. Hairston

I pitted LanguageTool against the Hairston sentences. It flagged only 12 of the 67 sentences in grammar mode*.

Spoiler:
16. The situation is quite different than that of previous years. ►Did you mean 'different 'from''? 'Different than' is often considered colloquial style. Suggestion(s): from
34. Him and Richards were the last ones hired. ►Please check whether the nominative 'He' should be used. Suggestion(s): He
36. These kind of errors would soon bankrupt a company. ►Did you mean 'this kind' or 'These kinds'? Suggestion(s): This kind, These kinds
37. My favorite quotation is, " Take what you want and pay for it. ►Unpaired symbol: '"' seems to be missing
37. My favorite quotation is, " Take what you want and pay for it. ►Use a smart opening quote here: '“'. Suggestion(s):
40. If Clemens had picked up that option, his family would of been rich. ►It's never correct to use 'of' after a modal verb. Use 'would have', or, in informal register, 'would've'. Suggestion(s): would have, would've
40. If Clemens had picked that option, his family would of been rich. ►Did you mean 'have'? ('would of' is probably an incorrect use of the verb phrase 'would have'; as contraction "would've" sounds like "could of") Suggestion(s): have
41. Its wonderful to have Graham back on the job. ►Did you mean 'It's' (='It is') instead of 'its' (possessive pronoun)? Suggestion(s): It's, It is
42. Calhoun has went after every prize in the university. ►Note: went is a past participle of "wend". Did you mean 'gone' (past participle of "go")? Suggestion(s): gone
43. Next year we expect to send a representative to China (if Peking allows it. ►Unpaired symbol: ')' seems to be missing
46. State employees can't hardly expect a raise this year. ►Double negatives are discouraged in standard English. Can you reformulate this phrase or is a comma missing? Suggestion(s): can hardly
48. Although the candidate is new to politics she has a good chance of winning. ►“Although” at the beginning of a sentence requires a 2nd clause. Maybe a comma, question or exclamation mark is missing, or the sentence is incomplete and should be joined with the following sentence.
56. The interruption will not effect my work. ►Did you mean 'affect'? Suggestion(s): affect
62. When we was in the planning stages of the project, we un... ►Use first person plural verb with 'we': 'are', 'were'. Suggestion(s): are, were


@Tex2002ans Can you please check the Hairston sentences with Antidote 9?

* I disabled the built-in spell checker for my test.

Hitch 12-02-2018 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doitsu (Post 3781679)
I pitted LanguageTool against the Hairston sentences. It flagged only 12 of the 67 sentences in grammar mode*.

Spoiler:
16. The situation is quite different than that of previous years. ►Did you mean 'different 'from''? 'Different than' is often considered colloquial style. Suggestion(s): from
34. Him and Richards were the last ones hired. ►Please check whether the nominative 'He' should be used. Suggestion(s): He
36. These kind of errors would soon bankrupt a company. ►Did you mean 'this kind' or 'These kinds'? Suggestion(s): This kind, These kinds
37. My favorite quotation is, " Take what you want and pay for it. ►Unpaired symbol: '"' seems to be missing
37. My favorite quotation is, " Take what you want and pay for it. ►Use a smart opening quote here: '“'. Suggestion(s):
40. If Clemens had picked up that option, his family would of been rich. ►It's never correct to use 'of' after a modal verb. Use 'would have', or, in informal register, 'would've'. Suggestion(s): would have, would've
40. If Clemens had picked that option, his family would of been rich. ►Did you mean 'have'? ('would of' is probably an incorrect use of the verb phrase 'would have'; as contraction "would've" sounds like "could of") Suggestion(s): have
41. Its wonderful to have Graham back on the job. ►Did you mean 'It's' (='It is') instead of 'its' (possessive pronoun)? Suggestion(s): It's, It is
42. Calhoun has went after every prize in the university. ►Note: went is a past participle of "wend". Did you mean 'gone' (past participle of "go")? Suggestion(s): gone
43. Next year we expect to send a representative to China (if Peking allows it. ►Unpaired symbol: ')' seems to be missing
46. State employees can't hardly expect a raise this year. ►Double negatives are discouraged in standard English. Can you reformulate this phrase or is a comma missing? Suggestion(s): can hardly
48. Although the candidate is new to politics she has a good chance of winning. ►“Although” at the beginning of a sentence requires a 2nd clause. Maybe a comma, question or exclamation mark is missing, or the sentence is incomplete and should be joined with the following sentence.
56. The interruption will not effect my work. ►Did you mean 'affect'? Suggestion(s): affect
62. When we was in the planning stages of the project, we un... ►Use first person plural verb with 'we': 'are', 'were'. Suggestion(s): are, were


@Tex2002ans Can you please check the Hairston sentences with Antidote 9?

* I disabled the built-in spell checker for my test.

On those occasions when I've run Grammarly as a Grammar-checker, rather than a typo-catcher (as it works in browsers, which is where I do 99% of all my typing throughout the day), I've noted that it "stacks" errors. In other words, if you have sentence X, which contains 3 errors, it won't display all 3. It displays the highest-level mistake, the most common/simplest one, and then works "down" to the 3rd mistake. IOW, it starts with something simple like a typo and then drills down into punctuation and construction errors.

My point being that her test--isn't. She didn't see most of the errata that Grammarly may have caught, because she's on the other side of the paywall, firstly, and never drilled down, secondly. I'm certainly not saying that Grammarly is a viable substitute for knowledge, or a proper edit, but it works a bit better than she's crediting.

Offered FWIW.

Hitch

Tex2002ans 12-02-2018 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doitsu (Post 3781679)
@Tex2002ans Can you please check the Hairston sentences with Antidote 9?

Missed: (49/67)

Correct: (14/67)

19 (company's)
30 (fee, however,)
35 (anyone)
36 (kinds)
40 (have)
41 (It's)
42 (gone)
46 (can)
53 (is)
56 (affect)
61 (predict)
62 (were)
63 (its)
65 (doesn't)

Bogus: (1/67)
17
--- It thought "french" and "german" were unknown words. Although it's strange, because other books I tested on it lets me know French/German are usually capitalized.

Potential: (1/67)
50 I was last employed by (Texas Instruments) company.
--- It knew "texas instruments" should've been capitalized. I could see how a strange proper noun like that could throw this sentence off.

Wrong: (2/67)
21 When Mitchell moved, he (bring) his secretary with him
58 Senator (davits) (come) from (New York)
--- I had no idea "davits" is even a word.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitch (Post 3781773)
My point being that her test--isn't. She didn't see most of the errata that Grammarly may have caught, because she's on the other side of the paywall, firstly, and never drilled down, secondly.

Yeah, I would definitely want a true apples-to-apples comparison.

And the formatting on that article was absolutely atrocious. All the images made is absolutely impossible to follow what was what. Would be helpful if there was a nice formatted list at the end.

Mind running it through paid-for Grammarly and see how it fares on the Hairston examples?

Hitch 12-03-2018 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3781943)
Missed: (49/67)


Yeah, I would definitely want a true apples-to-apples comparison.

And the formatting on that article was absolutely atrocious. All the images made is absolutely impossible to follow what was what. Would be helpful if there was a nice formatted list at the end.

Mind running it through paid-for Grammarly and see how it fares on the Hairston examples?

Um....as long as I can take my time doing it, no, I don't mind.

Hitch

Tex2002ans 12-04-2018 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitch (Post 3782370)
Um....as long as I can take my time doing it, no, I don't mind.

I need it NOW NOW NOW! :rofl:

Hitch 12-04-2018 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans (Post 3782397)
I need it NOW NOW NOW! :rofl:

Lotsa luck with that, buddy. :-)

Hitch

BetterRed 01-09-2019 07:29 PM

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Just an Update on Word's Editor Panel. I recently stumbled on the following, of course it's possible it's been there all along.

Attachment 168973

It allows one to focus on each type of error, which makes quite a difference.

But you still can't type corrections in the Editor box itself :( And most of the "Refinements" don't offer any suggestions.

BR


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