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break/no-break and other spaces

I like to replace ellipses with spaced periods, since I don't like the usual ellipsis glyph, and it doesn't allow variations like . . . . or . . . ? or . . . !
Also to space between nested quotemarks, which otherwise look like a triple mark ’” but with space ’ ”.

I see some books just use a normal space, but that allows a linewrap to occur, which should never be.
So I have been using  
Aside from being no-break, otherwise it acts the same as a normal space; and so it stretches or compresses when the text is justified, and that sometimes looks odd.

I just looked at a Random House epub that used thin spaces:  
Which looks better I think. However, is it treated as a no-break space, in all formats -- epub and Kindle?

While looking into this, I found this list of 17 Unicode space characters:
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unic...ry/Zs/list.htm

U+0020 SPACE
U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE
U+1680 OGHAM SPACE MARK
U+2000 EN QUAD
U+2001 EM QUAD
U+2002 EN SPACE
U+2003 EM SPACE
U+2004 THREE-PER-EM SPACE
U+2005 FOUR-PER-EM SPACE
U+2006 SIX-PER-EM SPACE
U+2007 FIGURE SPACE
U+2008 PUNCTUATION SPACE
U+2009 THIN SPACE
U+200A HAIR SPACE
U+202F NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE
U+205F MEDIUM MATHEMATICAL SPACE
U+3000 IDEOGRAPHIC SPACE

Are all these valid in ebooks?
I assume that only the first two are elastic in size, is that correct?
And aside from nbsp, which are no-break?

Apologies if this is a FAQ, please link if there is such.

If you make a sample ePub, I'll test it with ADE 2.0.1.

I don't like the glyph, either, and to my eye an ebook doesn't look right with spacing. I use space / three dots / space for an interrupted sentence, while ending sentences with four dots (i.e., one full stop following by the three for the ellipsis.

For the print edition, I revert to the traditional spacing, while ensuring an ellipsis is never broken at the end of a line.

Be aware that under your plan you would have to use a normal space following a three-dot ellipsis, for fear of forcing hyphenation where you don't want it.

I prefer the ellipse character with no space. That solves the problem.

Try this:

1. In your .css stylesheet:

Code:

.nowrap {

    text-indent: 0;

    display: inline-block;

}

2. In your .xhtml file:

Code:

<p>Nullam ut massa rutrum dolor placerat tempor accumsan eget <span class="nowrap">purus. . .</span></p>

As you can see, you must include the word with ellipsis inside the class with the sytle "nowrap". It works fine with ADE 2.x, 3.x and 4.x.

Regards
Rubén

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Originally Posted by Notjohn (Post 3591006)

Be aware that under your plan you would have to use a normal space following a three-dot ellipsis, for fear of forcing hyphenation where you don't want it.

Yes, that's what I do.

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Originally Posted by RbnJrg (Post 3591078)

Try this:

That would work, but at the cost of making the code more complex.

I guess if you think that's necessary then thinsp is otherwise a breaking space? I'll stay with nbsp if so.

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Originally Posted by AlanHK (Post 3591114)

Yes, that's what I do.

That would work, but at the cost of making the code more complex.

I guess if you think that's necessary then thinsp is otherwise a breaking space?

Yes, thinsp is a breaking space. But if you work in Sigil, then you can create a clip for the ellipsis (with thinsp periods) and the the word to be enclosed together. Then you could apply the code in a blink (just a click of the mouse).

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Originally Posted by RbnJrg (Post 3591200)

Curious - could you use Figure space or Non breaking thin space between the dots. I've used the former on things like telephone number or part numbers - in blog posts

BR

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Originally Posted by BetterRed (Post 3591205)

Curious - could you use Figure space or Non breaking thin space between the dots. I've used the former on things like telephone number or part numbers - in blog posts

BR

Even with non breaking thin space between the dots, you need to enclose the dots with the preceding word (by applying the respective style) to avoid things like

Code:

some words here

...

With the style "display: inline-block;" you would get

Code:

some words

here...

Regards
Rubén

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Originally Posted by RbnJrg (Post 3591244)

Even with non breaking thin space between the dots, you need to enclose the dots with the preceding word (by applying the respective style) to avoid things like

Code:

some words here

...

With the style "display: inline-block;" you would get

Code:

some words

here...

Regards
Rubén

gotcha - ta

BR

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