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jocampo 09-28-2011 04:24 PM

Will the new Kindle(s) touch change your mind about getting a Nook Touch
 
Let's do a poll! :)

If you were on the market for a touch eink reader, and Nook Touch was a strong option for you. Will the new Kindle(s) touch change your mind or make you think about it?

Please be aware I am talking about the eink devices only! Not tablets, no NC, no Kindle Fire.

By the way, it would be nice if those without a Nook Touch vote here. If you have a Nook Touch already, I guess answering the poll makes no sense, no? ;)

VicLavigne 09-28-2011 04:34 PM

Well, Amazon has finally released a version of Kindle that looks good to me. I never could stand that keyboard that they included..... might be useful for students, but my ereader is not a study device.

The only drawback now to the new Kindle is the lack of epub support. When they include that, I might find myself buying one.

Vic

jocampo 09-28-2011 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VicLavigne (Post 1761519)
The only drawback now to the new Kindle is the lack of epub support. When they include that, I might find myself buying one.
Vic

Very unlikely :D

And honestly (without starting another format debate, which is a very old topic by the way) makes no sense. With full support for library lending, I see no major advantages on DRM ePub over AZW.

boswd 09-28-2011 05:19 PM

I voted no, shocker, LOL but in all honestly it still has the ePub and the Sd card factor in it's favor. Remember the the non ad Kindle touch is the same price as the Nook STR.

jocampo 09-28-2011 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boswd (Post 1761637)
Remember the the non ad Kindle touch is the same price as the Nook STR.

... without landscape mode, without whisper-sync ... without Amazon customer support ...

boswd 09-28-2011 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jocampo (Post 1761644)
... without landscape mode, without whisper-sync ... without Amazon customer support ...

The Nook StR syncs with your other Nook devices and your mobile App. Actually there was an update to improve on this about a month or two ago.

Landscape mode is useless for the most part when reading a 6 inch novel, who actually cares?

and instore cutomer support plus free goodies from the starbucks cafe ROCKS:thumbsup:

by the way are you conducting a general Poll or trying to Evangelize your Kindle Kool Aid Kult propaganda.

Your rep around here is quite infamous for doing the above.

just sayin

jocampo 09-28-2011 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boswd (Post 1761650)
The Nook StR syncs with your other Nook devices and your mobile App. Actuall there was an update to improve on this about a month or two ago.

Landscape mode is useless for the most part when reading a 6inch novel, who actually cares?

and instore cutomer support plus free goodies from the starbucks cafe ROCKS:thumbsup:

by the way are conducting a general Poll or trying to Evangelize your Kindle Kool Aid Kult propaganda.

Your rep around here is quite infamous for doing the above.

just sayin

I think that if you don't want to vote or have any opinion about it, that's fine. That's all I will say.

boswd 09-28-2011 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jocampo (Post 1761678)
I think that if you don't want to vote or have any opinion about it, that's fine. That's all I will say.

I did vote and I did have an opinion but now you are try to Evanglize what you consider the kindle's selling points.

soooo are you trying to convert nook users with this cockamamee poll or not, at least be honest with your intentions.

that's all

OrganicJerk 09-28-2011 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jocampo (Post 1761644)
... Amazon customer support ...

Amazon customer support? OK, well the Kindle doesn't come with Microsoft customer support, right? It doesn't come with Sony customer support, either...hrmm.

Although the Nook does come with B&N Customer support, which is what I would expect it to come with, which can be reached by calling 1-800-THE-BOOK or walking over to your nearest B&N store and helping yourself to a store-full of free reads while there, being able to feel and try out products and accessories before you buy so you don't have to worry about shipping returns, and quick access to Starbucks coffee.

:thumbsup:

log 09-28-2011 06:54 PM

Nook still has advantages despite being released earlier:

- epub support
- page turn buttons
- Android based and already rooted -- much more flexibility/potential

If new Kindle had any these features, I would consider it, but right now just waiting for the Sony Reader to come out and hear some reviews and will decide between the two.

NickyWithNook 09-28-2011 06:56 PM

I would never buy an ereader that made me look at ads, and without being forced to look at ads, the price isn't anything to write home about. I'm very happy with my STR.

TrvlrsChick 09-28-2011 07:11 PM

I will admit, now that the Kindle can finally use library books, I may have considered it more heavily. However, I love my STR. I love the concave back with the rubbery touch, I love that the bezels are a decent size and have buttons (which, by the way, I use quite a bit) and I love that it has ePub. I'd still get the STR.

NickyWithNook 09-28-2011 07:16 PM

Is the new Kindle e-ink reader the same size as the old Kindle, or more squarish like the Nook STR? Like I imagine a lot of women, mine lives in my purse, so even a small size difference is huge for me. I wouldn't get one that was longer than the STR either.

jersysman 09-28-2011 07:30 PM

These new Kindles, while they are a lot better than the older ones, still do not have 2 things I consider essential.

Epub support
Card Slot

Without these, I would rather pass.

I am looking at the new Sony T1, though. That seems like a nice reader and I will give it a look.

Oh, by the way, now that the Kindle has a touchscreen, it seems to be okay now. Just sayin...

graff_king 09-28-2011 10:27 PM

I currently have a Nook STR I did pre-order a Kindle touch today. I want to have a side by side for myself without having to muddle through others views of one companies business practices or the other

log 09-28-2011 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jersysman (Post 1761967)
These new Kindles, while they are a lot better than the older ones, still do not have 2 things I consider essential.

Epub support
Card Slot

Without these, I would rather pass.

I am looking at the new Sony T1, though. That seems like a nice reader and I will give it a look.

Oh, by the way, now that the Kindle has a touchscreen, it seems to be okay now. Just sayin...

Wow, they still don't have sdcard support? should have added that to my list.

lol, I did notice many of the Kindle fanboys and fangirls quickly change their tune today.

6charlong 09-29-2011 01:56 AM

I didn't vote because I already have a Nook Touch. I love it for all the reasons listed. I also would hate having ads popping up on my reader and I like being able to chose my own screen savers.

I have a Kindle too and it has a number of good points as well. I'm thinking about a Kindle Touch largely because some books are available for the Kindle that Nook doesn't have and vice versa. The Kindle's biggest advantage has always been that it's ubiquitous: there has always been a wide selection of accessories from third party suppliers.

Rjl2001 09-29-2011 06:37 AM

The announcement of the new Kindle Touch will probably be enough for me to hold off on buying a Nook Touch until I can at least get an honest comparison. I started off with a Nook Color, then bought a Nook Classic and realized how much I liked having an eink display for reading outdoors. Was really tempted when the Nook Touch came out but still haven't bought one. I have also given my Nook Classic to my sister, got my brother the Nook Touch for his birthday, and with a spur of the moment purchase got myself a Sony PRS350. I have been trying to sell the Sony 350 for the last couple months so I could use the money towards the Nook Touch. But as I said it looks like it would be worthwhile to wait until the new Kindles come out and I can get a good look at them. Heck, even the Kindle Fire looks appealing to me but will have to see what their Android App support is like.

For some reason I generally like buying products from a company other than the market leader for that product. Have never bought/owned an Apple product in my life. Cell phones have mostly been Nokia's. Don't think I've ever bought a Sony piece of electronics (oops, except the ereader), or HP for that matter. Cameras have been Fuji or Pentax, not Canon or Nikon. Don't have any Nike shoes/clothes. Not sure there's a good explanation for any of that, I guess I prefer to be different.

powree 09-29-2011 07:16 AM

If kindle supported Epub, I think I would've bought the Kindle, since it's customer support is better than BN. I've seen a case where a K3 owner from Indonesia gets a replacement from Amazon. Of course, the shipping fee becomes a problem, especially since the owner had her K3 broke again and had to ship it for the 2nd time.

Actually I was considering K3 UNTIL I saw STR's ad. :)) And then I fell in love with STR. And I'd rather stick with one e-reader as long as it works fine...

Rich_D 09-29-2011 11:14 AM

I won't vote in the poll since I already own a nook touch. However, if I were new to e-books, it would be a tough choice. I originally went with a nook for .pdb/epub support and the library access. Kindle now has the library access but I'll stick with the nook because all my books are now epub. The new kindles aren't groundbreaking so I seen no reason to buy a new device and go through the trouble of converting all my files to a kindle supported format.

afv011 09-29-2011 12:40 PM

The nook STR and the equivalent Kindle are both $139. Given that, I would still go for the nook for these reasons:
  • ePub
  • page turn buttons
  • ergonomics
  • color

There are other advantages, like
  • read in store
  • free goodies in store

but they don't apply to me as I'm in Canada.

Rich_D 09-29-2011 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich_D (Post 1762981)
I won't vote in the poll since I already own a nook touch. However, if I were new to e-books, it would be a tough choice. I originally went with a nook for .pdb/epub support and the library access. Kindle now has the library access but I'll stick with the nook because all my books are now epub. The new kindles aren't groundbreaking so I seen no reason to buy a new device and go through the trouble of converting all my files to a kindle supported format.

Oh and an external SD card. That is definitely a deal breaker for me. The external page turn buttons are nice when I'm eating lunch, but not a requirement for me.

faithbw 09-29-2011 03:07 PM

I would buy the nook STR over the Kindle because I don't want to support Amazon if i can help it. They're pretty much equal on most things so it's not a matter of features or price but principle for me.

tom e 09-29-2011 04:02 PM

I have never bought an e-reader yet, but have been watching closely. I was REALLY in the market for the STR, but then decided I wanted to wait for and check out two things: the iRiver Story HD, and the new Kindle. The reason for these, is that if nobody is putting simple apps on an e-ink device, then my decision comes down to epubs. I wasn't holding out much hope that Amazon would allow epubs, but I did kind of suspect that they would let you access their own app store for some simple things (calendar, calculators, simple notes making etc). Since they didn't, it's back to epubs! I guess the Story HD will be easier for the free epubs that I want, but the STR has the potential to be rooted and therefore I can get some apps (though with no guarantees and I'm on my own).. I've decided I'm tired of waiting for the perfect device, the STR seems to be the best for my needs, I'll be buying next month!

allinhi/ 10-01-2011 02:44 AM

For me the hardware is not the deciding factor, nor is the difference in cost significant. The deciding factor for me is the loss of control over the products and the amount of informaion Amazon collects and retains. If that doesn't bother someone there are some real advantages to a cloud based services and some cost savings through Amazon. If you go with one of the wifi only models the disadvantages don't really mean much until you get to the fire, given the battery life the non color models have and the expansion issues are the same for these models without tablet features hardware is not a big factor.

thebestjeter 10-01-2011 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jocampo (Post 1761644)
... without landscape mode, without whisper-sync ... without Amazon customer support ...

without free cloud storage

taosaur 10-01-2011 09:25 AM

I might be in the market for an e-ink device very soon, and the only thing tempting about the new Kindles is the price. The "special offers" don't strike me as a huge negative.

The Kindle is still pretty much the "for dummies" reader, though, and as a non-dummy (with regard to consumer gadgetry, anyway) I can get a lot more out of the STR. I'm actually thinking about selling off my dual-booting Nook Color, and replacing my former NC + dumbphone combo with STR + smartphone, and a rooted STR will fill in a lot more gaps than a locked-down Kindle.

I got a used Xperia X10 off craigslist the other day, and like the NC it's now running rooted Gingerbread with most of the same apps, which leaves the NC seeming a tad redundant. A medium-sized device has its advantages, but between the phone and an e-ink reader that can handle a few apps, I think I'd have it covered.

Ryvyan 10-01-2011 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VicLavigne (Post 1761519)
Well, Amazon has finally released a version of Kindle that looks good to me. I never could stand that keyboard that they included..... might be useful for students, but my ereader is not a study device.

The only drawback now to the new Kindle is the lack of epub support. When they include that, I might find myself buying one.

Vic

I have a STR and I voted for it based on how attractive Kindle 4's specs appear to me. As with you, I don't like the keyboard, and the lack of ePub support is a major no-no for me.

In terms of physical buttons, doesn't matter to me. The texture of the bezels don't matter as well since I would get it covered up with decals anyway.

So yup, sticking to STR.

log 10-01-2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebestjeter (Post 1766518)
without free cloud storage

lol, free as in buy books from Amazon and we will store them here for you in our "cloud". How is that different from B&N book store? Maybe they just aren't using marketing buzz-words to mislead people.

I personally like that Nook has potential to store up to 32gb of any content the device, an option you don't have on any Kindle.

JSWolf 10-01-2011 12:07 PM

Quote:

Will the new Kindle(s) touch change your mind about getting a Nook Touch
No, but the Sony Wifi PRS-T1 would if I was looking for a reader.

log 10-01-2011 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf (Post 1766923)
No, but the Sony Wifi PRS-T1 would if I was looking for a reader.

Yeah as you can see I'm still on the fence between the Nook and Reader since it has not yet been released, and there are some details I need to know before committing to it.

If Amazon did anything to show any more "openness" such as sd-card or epub support I would have considered it but it's off my list now.

Victoria 10-01-2011 12:59 PM

I voted no, as I was not planning to buy a Nook

thebestjeter 10-02-2011 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by log (Post 1766921)
lol, free as in buy books from Amazon and we will store them here for you in our "cloud". How is that different from B&N book store? Maybe they just aren't using marketing buzz-words to mislead people.

I personally like that Nook has potential to store up to 32gb of any content the device, an option you don't have on any Kindle.

I'm talking about the New Personal Archiving. 5GB of free cloud storage for personal documents, and annotations and last page read backup and synchronization for free with book no purchased from Amazon (but DRM free) or personal documents. So, you have the same wireslessly service with personal documents as you receive with books purchased for Amazon: download everywhere, read everywhere; don't worry about losing any of your books or personal documents as those are all stored centrally on Amazon.

The cloud storage for Amazon content, on the other hand, is unlimited. :thumbsup:

By the way, do you know anyone whose has more than 4GB of books on his device? That is an insane amount of books; probably 4.000 books.

All the rookies have issues with the storage capacity before they use their first device. Later, they understand that an ereader is not an Ipad:D

log 10-02-2011 02:28 AM

I stand corrected, I didn't know about that, it is a nice feature that they allow an additional 5 gb.

But that is still much less than what is possible with an sdcard ;)

MsCG1 10-02-2011 04:46 AM

I really, REALLY hope that Nook users aren't trolling the Kindle forums the way Kindle users troll over here. I hope we're collectively, better than that.

But in response to this poll, no. I'm invested in epub and BN and there's no experience that Amazon can give me that will match reading my Nook in-store.

HarryT 10-02-2011 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by log (Post 1762260)
Wow, they still don't have sdcard support? should have added that to my list.

It's completely unnecessary. I currently have 636 books on my Kindle, many of them large omnibus editions. I have 2250MB of storage space free, from the total 3.25GB. Honestly, if you're using the Kindle purely for reading, an SD card slot is not a requirement.

crashed 10-02-2011 06:16 AM

My opinion is this: If you haven't already bought a Kindle, it's likely you still won't. If anything these new touch models are finely catching up to the Nook Touch. The only real incentive is the X-Ray feature, something B&N can easily do as well with a update. Otherwise there's really nothing new here to be said for the Kindles.

Comes down to you liking Amazon's store, their format, and their eBook practices (which I do not, which is what held me back on them.)

Right now I just want a good cheap tablet so I can have both BN or Amazon if I choose.

Dr. Drib 10-02-2011 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsCG1 (Post 1767928)
I really, REALLY hope that Nook users aren't trolling the Kindle forums the way Kindle users troll over here. I hope we're collectively, better than that.

But in response to this poll, no. I'm invested in epub and BN and there's no experience that Amazon can give me that will match reading my Nook in-store.


If you're writing about MobileRead, please be aware that we do not tolerate trolling in any of our forums and, when they occur, the issue is dealt with decisiviely - regardless of whether one has a nook or a Kindle (or both devices, as in my situation).

Don
(Moderator)

log 10-02-2011 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT (Post 1767978)
It's completely unnecessary. I currently have 636 books on my Kindle, many of them large omnibus editions. I have 2250MB of storage space free, from the total 3.25GB. Honestly, if you're using the Kindle purely for reading, an SD card slot is not a requirement.

...for you. What if for example someone wants to store a library of audiobooks? Or they want to have a their own copy of Project Guttenberg available for them all the time?

HarryT 10-02-2011 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by log (Post 1768182)
...for you. What if for example someone wants to store a library of audiobooks? Or they want to have a their own copy of Project Guttenberg available for them all the time?

With a 3G Kindle, I can access PG any time I wish to, so for me that's not an issue. Obviously, everyone needs to do what's right for them.

I wouldn't have thought it would be practical to store an audiobook library on SD media - they're too big. I have mine on an external USB hard disk (and my eBook library too).


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