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emonti8384 02-25-2011 10:07 PM

Examples of Subgroups
 
I have to write a paper about a subgroup that interests me and I'm drawing a blank. I know gangs and religious groups count but I can't think of anything else. I was thinking about homeless people or hippies, or something, lol. Can I get some ideas, pretty, pretty please? Whatever I pick has to be 4-6 pages long :(, so I'd rather pick something unique and fun and I want to make sure I'm thinking in the right direction. Thanks ladies and gents!!!

ardeegee 02-26-2011 12:20 AM

Furries.

SameOldStory 02-26-2011 12:51 AM

The Darwin Awards. There are lots of sub-groups in that sub-group.

Today I had 2 human Lemmings cross my path. These are people that walk in front of moving traffic KNOWING that you have to stop for them. The more arrogant ones don't even look at your car before stepping out in front of you. You, on the other hand, may have to suddenly swerve out of their way with possible injury to others. Or you could be rear ended due to the sudden stop and smash into them anyway.

While they have the right of the road as pedestrians, they also have the right to a coffin of their choice.

Stupidity kills, and that's what the Darwin Awards focuses on. Pick a sub-group from there.

kindlekitten 02-26-2011 03:18 AM

I know you are fond of animals, so focus on say dog owners, and then you have the sub-groups that believe in purebred vs. mutt/rescue. the "do something" with my dog; hiking, camping, frisbee competitions, goes to doggy daycare, visits the dog park, vs. "dogs are supposed to stay at home and guard the home".

maybe that will give you a nudge in the right direction...

RolandD 02-26-2011 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SameOldStory (Post 1416927)
Today I had 2 human Lemmings cross my path. These are people that walk in front of moving traffic KNOWING that you have to stop for them. The more arrogant ones don't even look at your car before stepping out in front of you. You, on the other hand, may have to suddenly swerve out of their way with possible injury to others. Or you could be rear ended due to the sudden stop and smash into them anyway.

While they have the right of the road as pedestrians, they also have the right to a coffin of their choice.

Stupidity kills, and that's what the Darwin Awards focuses on. Pick a sub-group from there.

That's cause you get run over if you make eye contact. :rofl: It's the same rule for motorcycles, NEVER make eye contact.

Mortis 02-26-2011 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RolandD (Post 1417049)
That's cause you get run over if you make eye contact. :rofl: It's the same rule for motorcycles, NEVER make eye contact.

Yes god forbid you actually look out of your cage to see the motorcyclist, sorry one of my many pet peeves. :smack:

How about the different groups of people who like to fly or the sub groups of people who fear it? There's the "Wings could fall off" group the "If God wanted us to fly he/she would have given us wings" group. My favorite group is the "What if the pilot falls asleep" group. :D

wannabee 02-26-2011 08:01 AM

:chinscratch: Virtual fiends that hang out at on-line forums.

Mortis 02-26-2011 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by wannabee (Post 1417276)
:chinscratch: Virtual fiends that hang out at on-line forums.

Who are you calling a subgroup? :angry: :D

SameOldStory 02-26-2011 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by wannabee (Post 1417276)
:chinscratch: Virtual fiends that hang out at on-line forums.

(Lord forgive me for making fun of somebody else’s spelling. :rofl:)

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Mortis 02-26-2011 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SameOldStory (Post 1417298)
(Lord forgive me for making fun of somebody else’s spelling. :rofl:)

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I don't think that was a typo :D

SameOldStory 02-26-2011 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortis (Post 1417174)
Yes god forbid you actually look out of your cage to see the motorcyclist, sorry one of my many pet peeves. :smack:

I used to have a motorcycle a long time ago, and it's my firm belief that ALL auto drivers should have to ride a motorcycle at least a year before being allowed to drive a car! It’s not just that drivers don't "see" motorcycles, some seem to take offense that a motorcycle is in front of them.

:offtopic:

Mortis 02-26-2011 08:23 AM

I personally view all car drivers as homicidal maniacs, it helps to keep my concentration on the road and on the psychos in the Volvo's :)

SameOldStory 02-26-2011 08:28 AM

[QUOTE=emonti8384;1416777]I have to write a paper about a subgroup that interests me and I'm drawing a blank.

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Sorry, emonti, about having fun on your thread.

But can you give us a clue about your "paper"? What is the paper for - school, English lit?

Why a sub-group? Why not large groups?

What interests you already? Science, history, personal experiences, sports, etc?

I promise to be good. :D

wannabee 02-26-2011 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortis (Post 1417300)
I don't think that was a typo :D

Can someone throw me an "R" please? :rofl:

beppe 02-26-2011 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wannabee (Post 1417322)
Can someone throw me an "R" please? :rofl:

I'll give you a K instead. :thumbsup:

Mortis 02-26-2011 09:16 AM

Sometime I think there are a lot of K junkies about :)

beppe 02-26-2011 09:44 AM

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Sometime I think there are a lot of K junkies about :)

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emonti8384 02-26-2011 11:36 AM

[QUOTE=SameOldStory;1417311]
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Originally Posted by emonti8384 (Post 1416777)
Sorry, emonti, about having fun on your thread.

But can you give us a clue about your "paper"? What is the paper for - school, English lit?

Why a sub-group? Why not large groups?

What interests you already? Science, history, personal experiences, sports, etc?

I promise to be good. :D

Lol, I don't mind, it takes the stress off it a little. It's for Intro to Sociology. There's a bunch of rules and stuff, and I don't know how to write about stuff that might not be there. Heres the rules:

"Select a subculture to which you currently do not belong to or with which you are not very familiar with. It might be a religious, racial, or ethnic group; it might be a sports or social club, or an occupational or workrelated subculture.

In a titled, cogent essay, (sh!t, I'm already in trouble :p) demonstrate your understanding of ALL the following concepts by describing the following:

Shared beliefs
Values
Norms (including folkways amd mores), customs, and sanctions
How does one become a member of this subculture?
What are the outward symbols and behaviors that might indicate to others that one is a member?
How do these beliefs, values, norms, sanctions, customs, differ from the dominant culture?
Conclusions- what did you learn about subcultures? (that so far the topic isn't fun, lol!)

Other considerations:
Your paper must draw upon and complement the readings and lectures. Do more than summarize the lectures and readings-you should be able to develope a central theme or a basic focusing thesis and organize an argument around it. Synthesize, compare, contrast, think crtically, and analyze. Use proper citations and include a bibliography (if applicable). Papers need to be 4-6 pages."

There it is, folks. I was thinking hippies, but that is a counter culture and I don't know if it matters for this paper. I could pick a gang and write about it but I want to do something that interests me, rather than just write something to turn it in (although that may become an option, lol). I was thinking homeless people, prostitutes, and teen moms.

TGS 02-26-2011 11:59 AM

[QUOTE=emonti8384;1417542]
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Originally Posted by SameOldStory (Post 1417311)

In a titled, cogent essay, (sh!t, I'm already in trouble :p) demonstrate your understanding of ALL the following concepts by describing the following:

Shared beliefs
Values
Norms (including folkways amd mores), customs, and sanctions
How does one become a member of this subculture?
What are the outward symbols and behaviors that might indicate to others that one is a member?
How do these beliefs, values, norms, sanctions, customs, differ from the dominant culture?
Conclusions- what did you learn about subcultures? (that so far the topic isn't fun, lol!)

Other considerations:
Your paper must draw upon and complement the readings and lectures. Do more than summarize the lectures and readings-you should be able to develope a central theme or a basic focusing thesis and organize an argument around it. Synthesize, compare, contrast, think crtically, and analyze. Use proper citations and include a bibliography (if applicable). Papers need to be 4-6 pages."

There it is, folks. I was thinking hippies, but that is a counter culture and I don't know if it matters for this paper. I could pick a gang and write about it but I want to do something that interests me, rather than just write something to turn it in (although that may become an option, lol). I was thinking homeless people, prostitutes, and teen moms.

Do homeless people, prostitutes and teen mums constitute sub-cultures in the terms in which the task is defined - do these groups have identifiable beliefs, values, norms, sanctions, customs, which define them as separate from the dominant culture?

Hippies is good...trouble is they are either dead or running large corporations.

What about MMOG players or death metal fans?

SameOldStory 02-26-2011 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by emonti8384 (Post 1417542)

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Papers need to be 4-6 pages."

You're screwed. There's no way that you can fulfill the requirements.

Do you have enough time to find someone who took his class to find out what he/she really wants, and write to that? And I don't mean copy.

Baring that I would pick a very tight sub-group like Eskimo whalers vs Eskimo hunters.

beppe 02-26-2011 01:03 PM

Take people that use funny looking pictures of themselves on their bus cards. You do not need many. I am one and could give you an easy interview, for free.
the rest of the paper could be an expanded version of TGS post, Theory and Methodology, my interview could be A Case Study.

ardeegee 02-26-2011 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SameOldStory (Post 1416927)
The Darwin Awards. There are lots of sub-groups in that sub-group.

Today I had 2 human Lemmings cross my path. These are people that walk in front of moving traffic KNOWING that you have to stop for them.

A few days back I found an old newspaper clipping in one of my grandmother's bibles (probably kept for the title, which was something like "Boys Killed the Second Time.") According to the article, two young boys (around 8 to 10, IIRC) ran out in front of a car, the man hits the breaks, grabs the boys, pulls them off the side of the road, and chews them out about the danger of running into the road. He gets back in the car, drives off, the boys run back into the road again, a car hits and kills them both. I thought at the time that they merited a proto-Darwin Award.

emonti8384 02-26-2011 01:57 PM

Well I overheard her talking to a student that asked if she could do teen moms and my prof said yes, so I'm assuming the others are ok too. But there is a difference in gangs, where things are structured- they have rules, heirarchies, and shared beliefs, and hippies, who do not have that type of structure among them. Sure they had beliefs, but there is no "head" hippie that tells the other hippies this is how it's going to be. I'm just having a hard time with it because the subject is so vast. I almost wish she had a list of topics and you had to choose. The paper is due on Feb 28th at midnight. Grrrr!

SameOldStory 02-26-2011 02:13 PM

Keep the focus very narrow. Amish hippies?

Seriously, there's not much that you can cover is 4 to 6 pages. Not in the depth asked for.


Thinking on it, I think that you could cover "conscientious objectors" in those few pages. In truth it's as complex as anything, but it could be easily encapsulated by focusing on a few people. Check out Conscientious objector on Wiki.

vivaldirules 02-26-2011 02:24 PM

More so than almost anything else, I believe that hoomins think they are privileged to be here and that somehow they think (or maybe they just don't think at all) that they have the right to use everything around them as if it was a resource that was intended for just them to use at the expense of everything not human (or even at the expense of other humans). Wresting power from this self-proclaimed privileged group will not be easy but is probably the single most important issue in front of us (although we instead focus on "the economy", marriage laws, and what movie will win an Oscar this year). It (the end of privilege) will probably either come welling up from within or else through its own extinction accelerated by its own actions. We can only hope for the former. Or maybe not.

"Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Rehinhold Neibuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals." -MLK, Jr. in his letter from the Birmingham jail

Although I'm a hyprocrit (I participate with my larger group of hoomins and buy cars and ice cream and such), I am one of what is probably an incredibly tiny number of unassociated individuals who are at least aware that the larger group is the enemy. I, at least when it is convenient for me, choose to fight for the rest of the planet by making choices at the polls, in stores, at the bus stop, in conversations, etc. on this topic first and foremost. I am not a member of any political party or religious group. And I don't chat with like-minded individuals at weekly meetings at the library or online.

So, am I a member of a subgroup? If so, how are status relationships defined among this subgroup? What is the division of labor? How does the subgroup function?

RolandD 02-26-2011 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortis (Post 1417174)
Yes god forbid you actually look out of your cage to see the motorcyclist, sorry one of my many pet peeves. :smack:


I meant the motorcyclist shouldn't make eye contact. :2thumbsup

Speaking of motorcycles and sub-groups, I read Hunter Thompson's Hell's Angels a couple of weeks ago. Now, there's an interesting sub-group. :D

beppe 02-26-2011 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vivaldirules (Post 1417753)
More so than almost anything else, I believe that hoomins think they are privileged to be here and that somehow they think (or maybe they just don't think at all) that they have the right to use everything around them as if it was a resource that was intended for just them to use at the expense of everything not human (or even at the expense of other humans). Wresting power from this self-proclaimed privileged group will not be easy but is probably the single most important issue in front of us (although we instead focus on "the economy", marriage laws, and what movie will win an Oscar this year). It (the end of privilege) will probably either come welling up from within or else through its own extinction accelerated by its own actions. We can only hope for the former. Or maybe not.

"Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Rehinhold Neibuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals." -MLK, Jr. in his letter from the Birmingham jail

Although I'm a hyprocrit (I participate with my larger group of hoomins and buy cars and ice cream and such), I am one of what is probably an incredibly tiny number of unassociated individuals who are at least aware that the larger group is the enemy. I, at least when it is convenient for me, choose to fight for the rest of the planet by making choices at the polls, in stores, at the bus stop, in conversations, etc. on this topic first and foremost. I am not a member of any political party or religious group. And I don't chat with like-minded individuals at weekly meetings at the library or online.

So, am I a member of a subgroup? If so, how are status relationships defined among this subgroup? What is the division of labor? How does the subgroup function?


hoomin 3 up, 2 down


the word "human," as written by cats and dumb people.
i Iz stoopid annd cant spel rite, cuz im a cat, not a hoomin.

No need to thank me, it is a pleasure and a duty.

Falcao 02-26-2011 04:47 PM

You can write about people who don't belong to any subgroup.

beppe 02-26-2011 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by vivaldirules (Post 1417753)

So, am I a member of a subgroup? If so, how are status relationships defined among this subgroup? What is the division of labor? How does the subgroup function?

Please use the spoilers with care as they might be offensive. The first time look at the content through the fingers of your hand

yes, you are a member.
Spoiler:
No, you do not need to worry about turgidity. Not anymore. Just a tiny bit.

Yes, your subgroup has a function. The how in the spoiler
Spoiler:
You just beat a member till somebody comes.

vivaldirules 02-26-2011 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by beppe (Post 1417953)
hoomin 3 up, 2 down


the word "human," as written by cats and dumb people.
i Iz stoopid annd cant spel rite, cuz im a cat, not a hoomin.

No need to thank me, it is a pleasure and a duty.

dog. Cuz im a dog. Arf.

beppe 02-26-2011 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vivaldirules (Post 1417975)
dog. Cuz im a dog. Arf.

dog of the kind that I like, come here doggy. Have this donut. Any friends there?


I am glad you said that. I though you were dumb people.

But this story of the subgroups and their paperability is ... something meaningful for sure.
And they pay us to be around. Whow

vivaldirules 02-26-2011 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by beppe (Post 1418024)
dog of the kind that I like, come here doggy. Have this donut. Any friends there?


I am glad you said that. I though you were dumb people.

But this story of the subgroups and their paperability is ... something meaningful for sure.
And they pay us to be around. Whow

It is interesting so I thought I would throw out the question.

And, yes. The salary in donuts is quite spectacular. Alex pays me almost more than one dog can eat.

kindlekitten 02-26-2011 07:00 PM

well Emily, if it is any help... in Girl Scouts we used to call ourselves the biggest gang around; we had gang colors, hand signs, our own music (rap), lingo, etc.

you've had some good ideas thrown out, pick something! ;o)


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