Discussion: The Woman in White by Wilkie Collins (spoliers)
 

Wow! It's the 20th already?! Only 4 shopping days until Christmas. Where does the time go, I haven't even started this one yet.

But, the club must go on. Tell us what you thought about the book, the characters, the story, the blue one next to the fish... wait that's not right.

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I found the book quite enjoyable. In fact, I was just about glued to it, at least for about the first half. The second half moved a bit slower for me, but was still a good read.

What annoyed me a bit, especially towards the end, was that everybody was babying Laura so much, trying to shield her from real life, and thus (in my eyes) preventing her from ever becoming an independant and self-confident woman. But maybe that kind of woman was not what society wanted during those days. However, I had the feeling that the author was quite impressed by the character of Marian and how clever she handled all sorts of situations, and that she did not comport herself as the typical female of that time.

I just realized I'm not even halfway through it yet, so I didn't read anything above this post to spoil it. I got a late start on it because I really didn't want to read it, but to my great surprise, I'm really enjoying it.

Another dull read. Could not get through it.

Overall, I enjoyed it. I enjoy reading "classics", but find the hardest part, for me, is relating to/understanding the characters (or the period/time). The women are docile to the extreme. The guys are rediculous. Towards the end, when Hartwright is making his deal at Fosco's house - How could Hartwright take Fosco word "as a gentlemen" seriously?

As it would happen, I've read a lot of Dickens and Collins this year as well as fictionalizations of both of their lives. I finished this up on the 17th, and I must say I enjoyed it more than the other Collins' I read this year (The Haunted Hotel).

I tried to break my reading down into the chapters as a serial reader of 1860 would have. I think that helped me in terms of the verbosity of the work. Its still not hard to see that Collins got paid by the word. I'd also be interested in seeing how the individual chapters paralleled with Collin's opium binges. I felt some chapters meandered and did not have much purpose, while others were so fast paced they had to be re-read to make sure I'd gotten all the information.

It was a good year end read for me, turned out to be my 100th book, which was my goal for the year. I was able to take my time with it. I'm just sad that more people don't seem to have finished it.

I was pleasantly surprised. The prose flowed really well and it was a page turner. I suspected it had first been published as a serial, and when I checked after finishing I found that was indeed the case.

I was worried how the women characters would come across early on, but I found I really liked Marian. Laura was never fully fleshed out.

I fully expected Fosco to go back on his word at the end.

So did I, and I was really surprised that he did not.

Hi all.

I'm new to this forum and thrilled to find this book is being discussed! I read WiW about a month ago and almost thoroughly enjoyed it.

You can only imagine how fresh Collins' approach to story telling was in the 1860s. To tell a story from the viewpoints of different characters? Groundbreaking stuff.

Will keep an eye on this thread--very interested to read other people's reaction to this book.

--Shannon

Why should he not take it seriously? A gentleman's reputation was of absolutely paramount importance. Nobody would give an oath on his honour as a gentleman lightly.

He was a gentleman? He lied, kidnapped, and committed murder, but sure, I guess he was bound by a gentleman's honour.

But did he break his word? I don't think he did, did he?

I think we can assume he (Fosco) did. Didn't he belong to that secret society? I'm assuming he took an oath for that and I'm assuming he broke that oath since they killed him?

If someone kidnapped my wife and committed her to a mental hospital, I woul be reluctant to trust any oath he/she gave. I'm just sayin. :)

Finished! Before I read anything in this thread that might influence me, I'll say that, much to my surprise, I enjoyed this book. It's not one of those that I will necessarily re-read or anything -- wow, it's long! -- but it kept my interest. I found the style to be a little bit "grittier" than similar novels I've read, which made me like it better. Now I'll read through and see what everybody else thought!

I just finished and a happy to see this thread! I really enjoyed it, I thought that the first half, although it did have a few wordy places, was extremely suspenseful and well done. While the second half moved slower, I enjoyed it also and it was actually kind of nice to be able to relax! I stayed up till three a couple of nights I was so enthralled.

I like the way that he portrayed the women. Obviously he was writing in the romantic period and Laura fulfilled that ideal, but Marian was portrayed the way she was as part of Collins mission of social reform. He wanted to show that women didn't need to be just passive and submissive and that they were capable of much more.

I am now looking forward to reading the Moonstone, I am a detective novel junkie and I have never read it. According to Dorothy Sayers, it is the best of them all (and she is definitely one of the best writers herself, so she should know!)

On a side note, Collins and Dickens were friends and I think it likely that Collins inspired Dickens to try his hand at mystery and that was the genesis of Edwin Drood.

I don't think that Fosco broke his word to Hartwright, and I don't think that Hartwright had a lot of choice but to trust him, also since Fosco was enamoured of Marian that may have influenced him. Incidentally, when Fosco promised Perceval that he wouldn't try and find out his secret he apparently kept that promise also.

First, the Moonstone is one great trip. I enjoyed it and hope you do too. Second, there are ALOT of fictionalizations of the relationship between Collins and Dickens. The published the magazine All the Year Round together and Collins' brother married Dickens' oldest daughter. If you like the flavor, after you read the Moonstone and Drood (if you havent already), try The Last Dickens (Matthew Reily, i think) and Drood (Dan Simmons).

Originally Posted by sara4
I joined, I saw the list, I voted , I read between work and chores, I read before I fell asleep because I have this marvelous light which shines on the page and not on my husbands face. I was only going to read a chapter a night but I had to find out how it ends. So I finished it it in 2 nights. I loved it, and am sorry I never read Wilkie Collins before. Now, since then I have read 2 more full ebooks and 3 hardcovers. Just finished the last of Sieg Larsens" the Girl who kicked the Bees Nest". Loved it also, sorry when it was over. All his books are ebooks and there is on or two movies also. happy Holidays, Syd

Hello everyone . Just got my Sony reader.

Astrangerhere, thanks for the recommendations, I will have to check those out. Always looking for something new. Cheers!

I'm glad to see most people enjoyed The Woman in White. I'd read it in November as my first Collins and liked it a lot. I also wondered whether Fosco would keep his word; I agree that although he thought highly of honor, he'd done an awful lot of things that were dishonorable already!

Coincidentally, I just finished The Moonstone tonight - I tried it after WiW, and it is written in the same style of multiple first person narrators. A good mystery and not quite as long as WiW.

I read "The Woman In White" years ago, and much of it was a slog. The "mystery" isn't really much of one. Collins is VERY verbose. But that said...there are moments in the book that are purest poetry. I think my favorite one is when Walter has this long preamble of discussion about Laura after learning she has died...and leads up to a simple declaration -- "I loved her." And that hit me right in the gut. And when he sees the woman in white in the graveyard...that spooked me.

It's definitely worth reading if only to see the progression of the mystery-romance novel...but it does tend to go on and on.

If I recall, Dickens and Collins both got paid by the word, even when the self-published.

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I didn't post earlier because it would have been another negative one for me!... but I did intend to ask a question and forgot when the thread was active.

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