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Old 07-16-2010, 04:17 PM   #31
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I have no idea why you would believe that one review demonstrates anything. You really can't go about screaming "demonstrably false" when there is absolutely no way you can demonstrate anything.

I'm sure you don't believe me, but you can't prove anything.
No one is screaming. You made a generalization about a company and their products that I happen to know something about. I showed you an demonstrable explanation of how Apple's antenna decision wasn't just driven by purely by form, but also by function.

Sorry if it hurt your ears.
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No one is screaming. You made a generalization about a company and their products that I happen to know something about. I showed you an demonstrable explanation of how Apple's antenna decision wasn't just driven by purely by form, but also by function.

Sorry if it hurt your ears.
The fact remains that the Apple antenna decision was wrong. And the point remains that it really is a very sloppy use of language to call something 'demonstrably false' when you just cannot demonstrate it as such.

I apologise if that is difficult for you to understand.
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The fact remains that the Apple antenna decision was wrong.
No, that's opinion as well. Sorry.
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No, that's opinion as well. Sorry.
Indeed it is. I am entirely of the opinion that an antenna that doesn't work for left handed people was a bad decision.

I assume you're right handed?
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Why can't the antenna be placed along the top? I don't understand how placing it on the lower side of the device helps reception.
The reason that most companies have moved the antenna to the bottom of the phone is that it is moving it a little bit further away from the user's brain and isn't about reception.
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Indeed it is. I am entirely of the opinion that an antenna that doesn't work for left handed people was a bad decision.

I assume you're right handed?
Just pointing out the sloppy use of language.
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Indeed it is. I am entirely of the opinion that an antenna that doesn't work for left handed people was a bad decision.

I assume you're right handed?
One thing that surprises me with this whole thing is learning that so many people use their phone in their main hand, if I am on the phone then I am far more likely to hold it in my left hand since I can write notes, use a mouse etc with my right hand.
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Just pointing out the sloppy use of language.
And you are right to do so. I will consider myself hoist by my own petard
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The reason that most companies have moved the antenna to the bottom of the phone is that it is moving it a little bit further away from the user's brain and isn't about reception.
Yes. http://www.antennasys.com/antennasys...-antennas.html

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Just about every cell phone in current production has the antenna located at the bottom. This insures that the radiating portion of the antenna is furthest from the head. Apple was not the first to locate the antenna on the bottom, and certainly won't be the last.
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One thing that surprises me with this whole thing is learning that so many people use their phone in their main hand, if I am on the phone then I am far more likely to hold it in my left hand since I can write notes, use a mouse etc with my right hand.
I am left-handed, and hold my phone in my left hand...which explains my crappy typing speed
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Why can't the antenna be placed along the top? I don't understand how placing it on the lower side of the device helps reception.
The entire metallic rim running around entire phone is an antenna.
There are two antennas in fact.
One for cellular signal, GSM and other stuff,
other for WiFi, bluetooth.
The antennas meet in lover left corner and at the top of the phone. So, if you hold phone naturally in your left hand (just like Steve Jobs held it several times during the presentation, while poking with right index finger on screen) your palm comes into contact with the thin gap between two antennas and you short-circuit the two antennas and drop a bar or two if the reception was not good to begin with.

I just do not understand what a "Bumper" is.

I thought, that according to description, it was a simple rubber (or perhaps plastic) band running around the edge of phone. It that is so, how is it possible that a strip of rubber, or whatever material it is costs $30?
I am really confused. Are Americans really willing to pay 30 hard earned, honest dollars for a flimsy piece of rubber with an Apple logo that contains $0.2 worth of material and $0.8 worth of labor?

Another thing that somebody needs to explain to me is: what the hell is a "dropped call"? I have been using mobile phones here in Europe for a long time and when you make a call, anywhere, anytime here you stay connected until you finish the call. Period.

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One thing that surprises me with this whole thing is learning that so many people use their phone in their main hand, if I am on the phone then I am far more likely to hold it in my left hand since I can write notes, use a mouse etc with my right hand.
I think this has more to do with subconscious or habitual ear preference than handedness. We all favour one eye and one ear over the other.

I'm right-handed and use my left hand and left ear for the phone. Likewise I look thhrough my DSLR's viewfinder using my left eye... at least I consistently favour my left. I also have socialist tendencies... I wonder if that's all related?
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Apple has posted video of the press conference, plus a video of their Antenna Design and Test Labs: http://www.apple.com/antenna/testing-lab.html

Antenna info: http://www.apple.com/antenna/
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If you say it's demonstrably false, then please demonstrate it. And your personal opinion would not be a valid demonstration.
shrug. your personal belief is not a valid argument either..
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My original post got lost in the usual BS Apple hate. What I wanted to know is if you as an iPhone 4 owner, and one who actually had the problem...... Are you satisfied with the OFFICAL Apple response?
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