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Old 06-23-2010, 03:44 AM   #16
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It does not matter whether you make money on it or you do not make money: if you do not have permission from the copyright holder you are breaking the law.
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Old 06-23-2010, 03:51 AM   #17
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It does not matter whether you make money on it or you do not make money: if you do not have permission from the copyright holder you are breaking the law.
Um... have you read the other posts? Apparently in Bulgaria permission is not needed if you meet certain other requirements so they might not have been breaking the law.
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Old 06-23-2010, 03:53 AM   #18
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It is not babel fish translation :-)

As I understand it, you do not have to own the originals. The requirement is that they are already published, not owned.
A library does not have to be a formal institution in a brick and mortar building, only that it needs to be accessible by the public.
I don't say it was the intention of the law, but this is what the text says. {Edit}And I am pretty good in my mother tongue, plus not a complete amateur to law{/Edit}

At the end it doesn't matter how we understand it but how a judge would rule. :-)

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Not really. It is 100% reasonable. If EU was one single country, there would be one single law and NO LOCAL laws. It is not the case. True - each country is supposed/obliged to follow the EU regulations, however it does not mean all do it 100% accurately and 100% on time.
My guess is that Bulgaria did not update (properly) the copy right law. Which means nothing - the citizens must follow ONLY the current WRITTEN law in the country where they reside. So arguments for the situation in another country or the future or possible lawmaker intentions are the one that are NONSENSE.

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You are not allowed to make a reproduction (even partial) of a copyrighted work
I am almost sure you are allowed to quote a book (partial reproduction) anywhere in the world.

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Old 06-23-2010, 03:59 AM   #19
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It is not babel fish translation :-)

As I understand it, you do not have to own the originals. The requirement is that they are already published, not owned.
A library does not have to be a formal institution in a brick and mortar building, only that it needs to be accessible by the public.
I don't say it was the intention of the law, but this is what the text says.

At the end it doesn't matter how we understand it but how a judge would rule. :-)
You are correct only what a Judge says will matter in the end. As for a formal institution you are probably correct. Where I live the laws will often define words and might consider a library something more formal than a pile of book or it might be overlooked. Laws are tricky things all I was saying is I'm not sure I have the whole picture and translations can remove subtleties.
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Old 06-23-2010, 04:27 AM   #20
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You are just saying nonsenses. Spain and Bulgaria are European Union countries: they MUST FOLLOW European Union directives on copyright.

You are not allowed to make a reproduction (even partial) of a copyrighted work if you don't have explicit permissions from the copyright holder. Full stop.
Nop, you're wrong. In Spain, you are allowed if you have the original book. No judge closes webs with download links if there's no profit.
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Nop, you're wrong. In Spain, you are allowed if you have the original book. No judge closes webs with download links if there's no profit.
Suuuuuure...

Make a scan of a copyrighted book you own, create an ebook from it, then upload it on your website/blog. Let's see what publisher's lawyers will tell you, then!
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A quotation is a quotation. A reproduction is a reproduction.

You are not allowed to make a digital copy of the book you own.

You are not allowed to photocopy the book you own in its entirety.

That's what European Union directives on copyright say.
A European Union country must come into line with European Union norms.
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A quotation is a quotation. A reproduction is a reproduction.

You are not allowed to make a digital copy of the book you own.

You are not allowed to photocopy the book you own in its entirety.

That's what European Union directives on copyright say.
A European Union country must come into line with European Union norms.
Do you have any citations to back this up?
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Old 06-23-2010, 05:09 AM   #24
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Suuuuuure...

Make a scan of a copyrighted book you own, create an ebook from it, then upload it on your website/blog. Let's see what publisher's lawyers will tell you, then!
Spanish publishers? Well, I can tell you what some webs have done: no answers to lawyers (or letters telling they have no right to ask for the deletion of the link). And no problem. You should examine the cases at Spain before talking, sorry. Perhaps it's not very ethical, buy not illegal either.
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A quotation is a quotation. A reproduction is a reproduction.

You are not allowed to make a digital copy of the book you own.
Sorry, Spanish copyright laws say that you can scan a book and make a private copy (and you pay a canon when you buy an scanner that goes to the authors through a society). You can say as you like, but I know what I pay and I read a lot of Spanish news about this theme. And, regarding to this, you can read about "Sinde law".
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Sorry, Spanish copyright laws say that you can scan a book and make a private copy (and you pay a canon when you buy an scanner that goes to the authors through a society). You can say as you like, but I know what I pay and I read a lot of Spanish news about this theme. And, regarding to this, you can read about "Sinde law".
a) make a single copy
b) upload that copy for everyone else to download

Those things are not the same.
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You are just saying nonsenses. Spain and Bulgaria are European Union countries: they MUST FOLLOW European Union directives on copyright.

You are not allowed to make a reproduction (even partial) of a copyrighted work if you don't have explicit permissions from the copyright holder. Full stop.
MUST != WILL. My country defied, defies and will defy EU laws without retribution.
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A quotation is a quotation. A reproduction is a reproduction.

You are not allowed to make a digital copy of the book you own.

You are not allowed to photocopy the book you own in its entirety.

That's what European Union directives on copyright say.
A European Union country must come into line with European Union norms.
There are no such directives. Copyright law isn't subject to full harmonisation in the EU.
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There are no such directives. Copyright law isn't subject to full harmonisation in the EU.




Directive 2006/116/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 12 December 2006 on the term of protection of copyright and certain related rights (codified version)

Official Journal L 372 , 27/12/2006 P. 0012 - 0018



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a) make a single copy
b) upload that copy for everyone else to download
I know it. But the problem is that laws are slower than technology, and the second pass is not illegal (it doesn't mean that it's legal, only there's a void).
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