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Old 06-16-2010, 06:18 PM   #46
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you all seem to have it wrong...Apple has no "morals", corporations are amoral entities. They do, however, exist as entities who's sole purpose is to enrich the shareholders ONLY. So, obviously they are pandering to some special interest group that owns enough shares to cause a fuss, if you want background research the newest PETA tactics of buying corporate stocks in sufficent amounts to present their agenda at shareholder meetings (PETA is not the point here but it's going to become a trend on how business operates for the next generation), or maybe it's just Jobs has become posessed by the spirit of whoever he bought his liver or kideny or whatever organ system was failing and is over compensating...aPplE is finally a true "PC" corporation...congrats on a "Job" well done.
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:17 AM   #47
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I wonder about this assumption. I read that iPads were selling heavily to middle-aged men with about 100k annual income who already own iPhones. I'm going on my own middle-aged memory, so I might be off. Some forum posters seem to hold this stereotype about Apple products, but iPhones and iPods are owned by plenty of unhip, uncool and older people, from what I've seen.
What makes you think "middle-aged men with about 100k annual income" don't want or care about appearing hip? Apple has spent a mountain of money to build the image of hip, cool, and young. But if the Apple image becomes one of nanny, big brother, and censorship - what's the draw then?
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What makes you think "middle-aged men with about 100k annual income" don't want or care about appearing hip? Apple has spent a mountain of money to build the image of hip, cool, and young. But if the Apple image becomes one of nanny, big brother, and censorship - what's the draw then?
Actually, you said hip and young. I don't assume about the demographic group of iPad; I don't know anything about them beyond the stats. As I mentioned, I see plenty of middle-aged non-hipsters with iPods and iPhones, so it makes me doubt the stereotype. Apple's image-building is not necessarily reality. I tend toward skepticism on marketing alone. I also haven't watched TV in years, so I'm exposed to much less advertising than most people. I tend to look to what I see in real life and read.

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The "don't be nude in public" taboo is created by a cultural sense of shame in nudity. Therefore, what you said was entirely based in shame, but it is so culturally entranced that you don't even notice it and indeed take it as a given.
sm sbsolutely with you

@mores:

1.) Heinleins "stranger in a strange world" (de: Fremder in einer fremden Welt) is a book i hearthily recommend to you.

2.) as far as the paintings you showed as examples
well at least we both agree that nudity shouldn't be presented
but I for myself would like to add: "in such a lousy way"
(I assure you, the nudity was the third thing that i actually observed in them.
the first two were scetchynass and an extremeley ill choice of colors.)
but it's not an argument against nudity as such.

I could show you a nice heap of contemporary photography that doesn't show such crap , but instead shows nudity, and its natural beauty framed with the evident "being comfortable with herself" of the model.

I won't do since it'd most likely cost me this account

but instead of this I'll also go the "hey it's art" way:

http://www.renoiruncovered.com/renoi...large-bathers/
http://www.renoiruncovered.com/paint...ith-long-hair/
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I just like to watch the Starship Troopers movie, couldn't continue reading the Novel after a few pages ... somehow it never caught me. Will give the one you mentioned a try.

Renoir's pictures are pleasing to the eye. The one I showed just give you eye cancer
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There will be silly consequences, but overall I applaud Apple's stand against pornography.
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There will be silly consequences, but overall I applaud Apple's stand against pornography.
"Silly consequences" such as thought police?
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I just like to watch the Starship Troopers movie, couldn't continue reading the Novel after a few pages ... somehow it never caught me. Will give the one you mentioned a try.

Renoir's pictures are pleasing to the eye. The one I showed just give you eye cancer
I'd suggest you stick with the Starship Troopers book. It's much deeper than the movie. Don't get me wrong, I think the movie (first one only) is good in its own Flash Gordon-esque way, but the book is fantastic.
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Could you define "Flash Gordon-esque"?
Yes, I should give it another try, since my reading habits have changed a bit since I joined MR.
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Yes, I should give it another try, since my reading habits have changed a bit since I joined MR.
I can try .
What I mean by the Flash Gordon comparison is that the movie offers a very romanticised view of the conflict and the characters portrayed by the book. The war itself is pulled forward out of the background of the plot and the whole movie is about the war events. The book is mainly concerned with the characters and how the war affects them.
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I had heard that . This has nothing to do with Islam . I vist Jeddah every so often and I have noticed that it is getting more relaxed .
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There will be silly consequences, but overall I applaud Apple's stand against pornography.
So you believe that adults should not have access to legal pornographic material? Why do you care what other adults have access to as long it's legal?

And Apple could easily restrict adult content to adults by simply providing parental controls on their products (for example the parental controls in Windows that can be used to prevent games from being played on a system depending on their rating).

And of course Apple is also banning applications that provide useful functionality to their customers, such as Flash and Google Voice because they want to restrict competitors from taking their potential income. This is totally contrary to the idea of technology.
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you all seem to have it wrong...Apple has no "morals", corporations are amoral entities.
I think you'll find that Apple DOES have morals - Steve Jobs's morals. He is the one who claims to be protecting users from porn. He is the one who has a personal vendetta against Adobe, which is why he won't allow Flash on Apple's closed devices.

Steve Jobs is known for being a very controlling person. He is arrogant beyond belief (if you believe all that is written about him), and truly believes that users should be using his products the way he intends.
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I had heard that . This has nothing to do with Islam . I vist Jeddah every so often and I have noticed that it is getting more relaxed .
What was your comment about again - you didn't quote anything!
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And Apple could easily restrict adult content to adults by simply providing parental controls on their products (for example the parental controls in Windows that can be used to prevent games from being played on a system depending on their rating).
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