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Old 11-20-2006, 10:38 AM   #1
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Text editor/WP on iLiad?

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Still saving pennies to buy my iLiad. Meanwhile, a question: can one edit in any of the viewers on the iLiad? I would assume not in PDF, but what about HTML or text? Reason being, I have documents that I've typed and need to proof, and it would be much more convenient to do the editing with a pen. Also, when I OCR older documents, I'll need to correct places where the OCR failed, and this too would be easier to do on the iLiad, I think, as I'm reading them. I would prefer an editor which includes font styles (italics, bold, etc.) as this is significant in the area I work in. RTF would be good, if Scotty1024 feels like throwing that into the pluggable viewer.

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None of the viewers is "editable", iRex is planning on adding annotations at some point in the future.

Annotations let you make marks on the face of a document but not actually change its contents.
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Would this be something usefull to port to the iLiad?

http://www.nllgg.nl/Ted

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Old 11-20-2006, 03:22 PM   #4
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Looks good to me. I note that it can convert to PDF, too, which could be handy once one has finished editing. And it would provide RTF viewing on the iLiad, as well.
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Would this be something usefull to port to the iLiad?

http://www.nllgg.nl/Ted

What do you think?
Nah, what you need is an editor understanding scribble gestures (remove, select, etc).
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Select works already, I believe.

Try looking at a TXT file. You can select words by going over them with the stylus.
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Select works already, I believe.

Try looking at a TXT file. You can select words by going over them with the stylus.
Remember penpoint. It was possible to remove a single caracter using a "remove loop" from the standard gesture of typographers, or to ask for italics and bold, also using very standard signals. Of course delete by zigzagging, breaking parragraphs by drawing a corner to the left, or inserting space by drawing a corner to the right.
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Another Editor: e3,

Maybe ready to run on the iLiad (although I am in doubt), as it was made for the Zaurus.

http://www.sax.de/~adlibit/
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"Ready To Run on Iliad": zaurus command line tools yes, zaurus X11 tools no.

The refresh problem is solvable but is only part of the story. Getting the tools to be unzip and go is another bit of work.

And of course no one can agree on dmQTyping or dmQFull for the UI.

But I'd be quite happy to see someone tackle one of the above. Gesture editing sounds cool to me!
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Gesture editing sounds cool to me!
If you've ever had a Newton MP2100 you'd be starving to get the interface back. This was THE Pen-Interface. Everything I had to use later on was not a jump but a transcontinental flight backwards. I so hope that we'll end up with something comparable on the iLiad, the platform is capable to, hardwarewise.
Maybe even Project Einstein, someday?
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Could the Newton Pen-Interface be re-animated on the iLiad??

By the way, I tried TinyMCE ( http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/index.php ).
Something based on JavaScript could be made working on the iLiad. Did not work completely for me yet.

It is possible to edit TXT-areas in HTML pages on the iLiad, although the screen-update has to be forced. I do that by swithing between the two keyboards.

Would that also be a way to go? Javascript? Or is the interpreter on the iLiad not good enough?
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Would that also be a way to go? Javascript? Or is the interpreter on the iLiad not good enough?
Javascript interpreter on Minimo seems fine... You can even play a passable (if slow) game of Chess with it... The main problem is with screen updates having to be forced.
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If you've ever had a Newton MP2100 you'd be starving to get the interface back. This was THE Pen-Interface. Everything I had to use later on was not a jump but a transcontinental flight backwards. I so hope that we'll end up with something comparable on the iLiad, the platform is capable to, hardwarewise.
Maybe even Project Einstein, someday?
I still have my Newtons and yes, I tried to get Einstein working on the iLiad. But there is no source available for Einstein so I wasn't able to fix it.

The e-Ink panel is the major limiting factor to implementing such a UI though.
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Old 11-21-2006, 10:25 AM   #14
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The e-Ink panel is the major limiting factor to implementing such a UI though.
Why the e-Ink panel? Granted there were some superfluous animations on the Newton OS (the crumpled page to trash, for example), but I wouldn't think the gestures would depend on the e-Ink. I would think the poor Wacom support would be the limiting factor. No?
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Einstein has a project page !!! : http://www.kallisys.com/newton/einstein/en

Look over there !

And here for nostalgia: http://www.a-in-a-circle.com/newton/

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