Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > Writers' Corner

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-10-2010, 04:26 PM   #1
Scott Nicholson
Scott Nicholson, author
Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Scott Nicholson's Avatar
 
Posts: 365
Karma: 2029337
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Boone NC
Device: Kindle
Publishers Are Not As Dumb As People Think

Anyone worried about the fate of publishers should maybe worry more about the fate of writers...well, at least if you're a writer.

http://megalithbooks.blogspot.com/20...as-people.html

Scott

Last edited by Scott Nicholson; 06-10-2010 at 04:26 PM. Reason: spelling
Scott Nicholson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 05:24 PM   #2
dadioflex
Dyslexic Count
dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
dadioflex's Avatar
 
Posts: 526
Karma: 5041991
Join Date: Aug 2008
Device: Palm TX, Advent Vega, iPad, iPod Touch, Kindle
Edit.

Last edited by dadioflex; 12-15-2010 at 05:21 PM.
dadioflex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 06:17 PM   #3
Barcey
Wizard
Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barcey ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Barcey's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,323
Karma: 5856000
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Canada
Device: Kobo Glo / PB360+ / PB902 / iPad3
I believe that any disruptive technology forces a re-evaluation of the value chain. Short term it hurts a lot of parties but long term the parties adding value remain. Short term there is going to be pain for authors but long term I believe they are adding the most value and they deserve the largest piece of the pie. Everything else is incremental value and should be compensated as such . The authors have to recognize this and take charge. (Some already are). It's difficult to do now because pulp sales are still the majority but the tipping point is coming fast.

The publishers are focusing on the price and missing the big picture that they aren't delivering the value to support their cut of the pie. Amazon and Apple are happy to collect their 30% and don't care how the 70% is divided. They're as happy to pay the author the 70% as the publisher.

I think the decline and fall of the big publishing houses is coming. Not because they're stupid but because they aren't adding value. Publishers will remain but they'll be smaller and able to demonstrate their value.

The biggest threat to authors is the same as it is today. Too many authors chasing too few readers.
Barcey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 11:44 PM   #4
BVLarson
Author
BVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-books
 
BVLarson's Avatar
 
Posts: 123
Karma: 900
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: California
Device: Kindle
Wow Barcey, that was an insightful reply. I couldn't agree more.

I would add that the big pubs will probably not figure it out. Historically, people who have money try to keep it, while people who don't try to figure out how to take it from those who do. This is a situation where defense can't win, so the big guy dies. I mean, look at Kmart and Walmart. Or Yahoo and Google. The new guy ate the big older guy, and it was totally obvious, but the older organization could not make even simple "copy the competition" type changes to save itself.
-bvl

Last edited by BVLarson; 06-10-2010 at 11:49 PM.
BVLarson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 11:49 PM   #5
BVLarson
Author
BVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-booksBVLarson has learned how to read e-books
 
BVLarson's Avatar
 
Posts: 123
Karma: 900
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: California
Device: Kindle
After reading your blog, I have to say I agree with what you are saying about e-rights too, Scott. The publishers are sewing up authors. But as the cashflow shifts by the billions away from them to places like Amazon, Apple, Google and worst of all, Authors of new books, they will shrink.
BVLarson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2010, 10:57 AM   #6
Scott Nicholson
Scott Nicholson, author
Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Scott Nicholson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Scott Nicholson's Avatar
 
Posts: 365
Karma: 2029337
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Boone NC
Device: Kindle
threat to authors

I agree with your comments, Barcey, except I believe "too many authors and too few readers" is not a threat to authors. If the author deserves readers, it will be easier than ever to find them. It's only "bad authors" or ones who aren't connecting with their readers who face a threat, and I am not sure I would even consider them "authors" if they aren't serving a reader.

Flip it around and you can see that the reader is finally going to have more power than ever, with a vast selection, influence over pricing, and the ability to truly determine bestsellers without the artificial structures now in place (current bestsellers are determined long before shelf date--immediately upon the signing of the contract, almost always before the book is even written).

Scott
Scott Nicholson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2010, 08:28 AM   #7
Robin O'Neill
Connoisseur
Robin O'Neill with a running start, can leap into geosynchronous orbitRobin O'Neill with a running start, can leap into geosynchronous orbitRobin O'Neill with a running start, can leap into geosynchronous orbitRobin O'Neill with a running start, can leap into geosynchronous orbitRobin O'Neill with a running start, can leap into geosynchronous orbitRobin O'Neill with a running start, can leap into geosynchronous orbitRobin O'Neill with a running start, can leap into geosynchronous orbitRobin O'Neill with a running start, can leap into geosynchronous orbitRobin O'Neill with a running start, can leap into geosynchronous orbitRobin O'Neill with a running start, can leap into geosynchronous orbitRobin O'Neill with a running start, can leap into geosynchronous orbit
 
Robin O'Neill's Avatar
 
Posts: 53
Karma: 60900
Join Date: May 2010
Device: PC
The pond you would have fished in for readers if you were published mainstream may be quite different when suddenly you're looking at the entire world having easy access to your work. A small niche market suddenly becomes huge.

Robin
Robin O'Neill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2010, 01:23 PM   #8
sbaum4853
YA Fantasy Author
sbaum4853 is on a distinguished road
 
sbaum4853's Avatar
 
Posts: 12
Karma: 52
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Device: kindle
Great article. The upheaval has begun, but really, we're in the early stages. eBooks are still a small percentage of total sales. In two years or so, when eBooks make up 50% or more of total sales, the entire distribution chain as we know it will be toast.
sbaum4853 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2010, 04:06 PM   #9
dpapathanasiou
Enthusiast
dpapathanasiou writes the songs that make the whole world sing.dpapathanasiou writes the songs that make the whole world sing.dpapathanasiou writes the songs that make the whole world sing.dpapathanasiou writes the songs that make the whole world sing.dpapathanasiou writes the songs that make the whole world sing.dpapathanasiou writes the songs that make the whole world sing.dpapathanasiou writes the songs that make the whole world sing.dpapathanasiou writes the songs that make the whole world sing.dpapathanasiou writes the songs that make the whole world sing.dpapathanasiou writes the songs that make the whole world sing.dpapathanasiou writes the songs that make the whole world sing.
 
Posts: 29
Karma: 40000
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: NYC
Device: Nook, Sony
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Nicholson View Post
Anyone worried about the fate of publishers should maybe worry more about the fate of writers...well, at least if you're a writer.

http://megalithbooks.blogspot.com/20...as-people.html

Scott
Boyd Morrison's experience is interesting (i.e., "Take Boyd Morrison's deal for The Ark, after making a name selling $1.99 e-books. He was signed by a major publisher and now his e-book is $11.99 and he's not making much more per sale than he did back then").

I wonder if he would have been better of continuing to sell e-books only, and forgoing a traditional publisher's contract.
dpapathanasiou is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2010, 07:24 PM   #10
dadioflex
Dyslexic Count
dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
dadioflex's Avatar
 
Posts: 526
Karma: 5041991
Join Date: Aug 2008
Device: Palm TX, Advent Vega, iPad, iPod Touch, Kindle
Edit.

Last edited by dadioflex; 12-15-2010 at 05:22 PM.
dadioflex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2010, 10:57 PM   #11
jaxx6166
Wizard
jaxx6166 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.jaxx6166 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.jaxx6166 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.jaxx6166 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.jaxx6166 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.jaxx6166 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.jaxx6166 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.jaxx6166 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.jaxx6166 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.jaxx6166 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.jaxx6166 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
jaxx6166's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,222
Karma: 769316
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Eternal summer
Device: 350, iPad, PW
Quote:
Originally Posted by dadioflex View Post
I might be way off here... long term, traditional publishing is going away. Short term however, being traditionally published has other benefits. You get a higher profile for one thing. And has anyone ever sold movie rights to an indie e-book?
Jeremy Robinson actually managed to sell the film rights to Anktaros Rising. I think some other indie shop bought it to make an animated film.
jaxx6166 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2010, 05:31 PM   #12
dadioflex
Dyslexic Count
dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dadioflex ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
dadioflex's Avatar
 
Posts: 526
Karma: 5041991
Join Date: Aug 2008
Device: Palm TX, Advent Vega, iPad, iPod Touch, Kindle
Edit.

Last edited by dadioflex; 12-15-2010 at 05:22 PM.
dadioflex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2010, 11:09 PM   #13
P.A.Woodburn
Enthusiast
P.A.Woodburn can even cheer up an android equipped with a defective Genuine Personality Prototype.P.A.Woodburn can even cheer up an android equipped with a defective Genuine Personality Prototype.P.A.Woodburn can even cheer up an android equipped with a defective Genuine Personality Prototype.P.A.Woodburn can even cheer up an android equipped with a defective Genuine Personality Prototype.P.A.Woodburn can even cheer up an android equipped with a defective Genuine Personality Prototype.P.A.Woodburn can even cheer up an android equipped with a defective Genuine Personality Prototype.P.A.Woodburn can even cheer up an android equipped with a defective Genuine Personality Prototype.P.A.Woodburn can even cheer up an android equipped with a defective Genuine Personality Prototype.P.A.Woodburn can even cheer up an android equipped with a defective Genuine Personality Prototype.P.A.Woodburn can even cheer up an android equipped with a defective Genuine Personality Prototype.P.A.Woodburn can even cheer up an android equipped with a defective Genuine Personality Prototype.
 
P.A.Woodburn's Avatar
 
Posts: 30
Karma: 30000
Join Date: Jun 2010
Device: none
Movie sales

I think there are at least two other indie writers who have sold movie rights unfortunately I am new to all of this and don't remember their names.
P.A.Woodburn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2010, 06:06 AM   #14
Dr. Drib
Grand Sorcerer
Dr. Drib ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dr. Drib ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dr. Drib ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dr. Drib ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dr. Drib ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dr. Drib ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dr. Drib ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dr. Drib ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dr. Drib ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dr. Drib ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dr. Drib ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Dr. Drib's Avatar
 
Posts: 28,162
Karma: 12155230
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Borja (Lima), Peru
Device: Kindle PW2(WiFi) / FireHD; Kindle DX-G; Kobo-AuraHD,Glo,Mini; Ipad Air
...and not as smart as people would like.



Don
Dr. Drib is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
publishing industry

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dumb question but need to ask.... chilady1 Amazon Kindle 4 06-17-2010 03:43 AM
Probably a dumb question, but ... stoogeswoman Fictionwise eBookwise 20 02-20-2009 05:29 PM
Unutterably Silly There is never a dumb question, only dumb people! Dr. Drib Lounge 17 12-29-2008 09:43 AM
really dumb question ernietd Kindle Formats 2 11-01-2008 12:31 AM
Maybe this seems like a dumb question, but... JohnsnowNW Sony Reader 6 12-15-2007 11:10 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:04 AM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.