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Old 05-22-2010, 07:24 PM   #1
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Hello All

Sorry to bring this up again, nut I could not find a solution

I am Using a Sony 505 with the prs+ software and latest calibre (not Beta). Somehow a laowas gets my books sorted in the Reader on the author field not on the author-sort field

Can Sombody help me

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Old 05-22-2010, 08:29 PM   #2
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the sony doesnt support the author sort field.
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Old 05-22-2010, 10:29 PM   #3
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Somehow a laowas gets my books sorted in the Reader on the author field not on the author-sort field
the sony doesnt support the author sort field.
Kovid answered the main question. It seems that the Sony gathers the info from the Author metadata for the Books by Author lists.

But if sorting via author last name is your preferred method then since you have PRS+ installed it is easy to do. You can browse by folder and all of the //database/media/books/ book folders are listed by the author's last name first followed by the first name.

Not quite what you were looking for but there non the less.
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Old 05-23-2010, 06:17 AM   #4
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Thanks guys

I thought so, but hoped this was solved

thanks guys
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:54 AM   #5
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I am concerned also about this issue

May be sending to the Sony device the Author Sort field instead the Author Name can fix it.

Also although the data is correctly stored in the device folders as "Surname, Name" in the folders of the library the author appears "Name Surname". I know that the Calibre intention is to browse the library through the program and not through the folder navigator, but sometimes the latter is the quickest way to locate/copy books ¿Is there any way to fix it?
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Also although the data is correctly stored in the device folders as "Surname, Name" in the folders of the library the author appears "Name Surname".
Kovid has decided this is the structure of Calibre's database? Don't look under the hood and it shouldn't bother you.

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I know that the Calibre intention is to browse the library through the program and not through the folder navigator, but sometimes the latter is the quickest way to locate/copy books
The latter should never be the quickest way. The search and export features are very simple and very strong and should always be quicker then poking around the database. The more books you have the larger calibre's advantage.

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¿Is there any way to fix it?
No, The database structure is set for the foreseeable future.
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Old 07-31-2010, 11:08 AM   #7
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I am concerned also about this issue

May be sending to the Sony device the Author Sort field instead the Author Name can fix it.

Also although the data is correctly stored in the device folders as "Surname, Name" in the folders of the library the author appears "Name Surname". I know that the Calibre intention is to browse the library through the program and not through the folder navigator, but sometimes the latter is the quickest way to locate/copy books ¿Is there any way to fix it?
Quickest way?
Besides typing some search words into the search tool?

Click the column head to sort list
or use the Luggage Tag

You have some mighty powerful (and fairlt simple to use) tools available


Of coarse:
GIGO still applies
If your Meta-data is a Mess:
(and it will be if you blindly accept what is pulled in )

The worst has to be Publisher.
Variants on the Publishing house's name
(Baen Publising Ent. , Baen, Baen Books ... )
the Distributors name.
My choice is to use the "Imprints" (basic) name
(DAW instead of DAW Fantasy or DAW Science Fiction)

Spacing and Punctuation in the Authors name.
A few minutes with the Tag Browser and Bulk Meta-data editor will fix all this
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Old 07-31-2010, 12:29 PM   #8
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I am concerned also about this issue

May be sending to the Sony device the Author Sort field instead the Author Name can fix it.
And here we see the perils of necroposting: This was changed a few releases ago, and calibre now sends the Author-Sort field, so we Sony users have our books sorted properly now.

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Also although the data is correctly stored in the device folders as "Surname, Name" in the folders of the library the author appears "Name Surname".
The data in calibre's library folders is also correctly stored. Please read the first post of the thread linked in my .sig.

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I know that the Calibre intention is to browse the library through the program and not through the folder navigator, but sometimes the latter is the quickest way to locate/copy books.
I can't see how rummaging around with a file manager could possibly be faster than a few keystrokes in calibre. You want all your Burroughs books? Type "burr" and there they are. You want all your computer manuals? Click your "manuals" tag in the list. You want to load everything from the Baen Free Library onto an SD card to give to a friend? Click its tag, control-A to select all, and export to your SD card. Trying to find everything with your file manager, picking the right formats, etc., no matter how the books are organized, can't begin to compare.

But in any event, there are no user serviceable parts inside. Go read that post. Really.

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¿Is there any way to fix it?
No, it can't be fixed because it isn't broken.

Calibre's private library is the equivalent of a database. It's not meant for users' eyes, let alone for gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. It's not laid out for the convenience or efficiency of anyone but calibre. Your ebooks are still where you left them when you imported them into calibre; if you want to access them directly, use those, or export updated copies. Just pretend calibre's library doesn't exist. Use calibre.

I'm sorry if I sound a little short, but every couple of weeks we get one of these "I want to use calibre, but I don't want to use it the way it was intended, so you need to change it for me" posts. That's not how calibre works. That's not what it's for. That's not what it's all about. And that's not going to change.
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:27 PM   #9
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And here we see the perils of necroposting: This was changed a few releases ago, and calibre now sends the Author-Sort field, so we Sony users have our books sorted properly now.
With the latest version of calibre and the Sony eReader PRS-600 this is not true... the books appear sorted by Author name, at least in my device

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I can't see how rummaging around with a file manager could possibly be faster than a few keystrokes in calibre.
Well, if you have to copy all of your Asimov books to a friend for me it is easier to go to the Asimov folder and make a zip file and put it into an email. But this is a specific situation and you are right that normally using calibre will be faster.

But what is important for me is the Author sort in the Sony device, the paragraph about the internal format of the calibre database was only a related question
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Well, if you have to copy all of your Asimov books to a friend for me it is easier to go to the Asimov folder and make a zip file and put it into an email. But this is a specific situation and you are right that normally using calibre will be faster.
type asimov in the search bar, select all books, click the connect share button and select email to
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I'm looking at my 505 right now, and the books are listed in author-sort order.
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Old 08-01-2010, 04:42 AM   #12
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With the latest version of calibre and the Sony eReader PRS-600 this is not true... the books appear sorted by Author name, at least in my device
I'm looking at my 505 right now, and the books are listed in author-sort order.
I believe you are both correct. To use author_sort on your Sony vice author you have to go to Preferences - Plugins - Device interface plugin - Sony device interface and customize the plugin. See attached image.

To fully convert every book on your reader you may have to delete the books and reload them after you customize the plugin.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:56 AM   #13
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[QUOTE=dwanthny;1036214]I believe you are both correct. To use author_sort on your Sony vice author you have to go to Preferences - Plugins - Device interface plugin - Sony device interface and customize the plugin. See attached image.

It tried what you explain in the Sony PRS-600 Device and it works but in a strange way.

First it seems not to work since the books added where sorted by author name. But the next time you reconnect the device an add a new book the older books magically are ordered by author sort, with the name of the author being "surname, name" and not "name surname".

Only the new added book appears with "name surname" layout in the author name, but this changes when you add a new book. Shutting down the device doesn't arrange the situation, only adding a new book changes de author name of the rest.

Should this be a candidate for a bug ticket?
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First it seems not to work since the books added where sorted by author name. But the next time you reconnect the device an add a new book the older books magically are ordered by author sort, with the name of the author being "surname, name" and not "name surname".
What is the 'manage metadata' preference set to: manual, on send, or automatic?
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Only the new added book appears with "name surname" layout in the author name, but this changes when you add a new book. Shutting down the device doesn't arrange the situation, only adding a new book changes de author name of the rest.
Are you referring to the display on the Sony or calibre's device display?
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What is the 'manage metadata' preference set to: manual, on send, or automatic?
Manage metadata is at "manual". Should it be at "automatic"?

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Are you referring to the display on the Sony or calibre's device display?
The display on the Sony device
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