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Old 05-11-2010, 10:00 PM   #1
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Was Apple Right? Flash crashes twice in tech demo on mobile phone

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Here’s what happened: On his Mac, Ryan pulled up a site called Eco Zoo. It is, seemingly, a pretty intense example of Flash development — full of 3D rendering, rich interactions, and cute little characters. Then, he pulled up the same thing on his Nexus One. The site’s progress bar filled in and the 3D world appeared for a few seconds before the browser crashed. Ryan said (paraphrasing), “Whoops! Well, it’s beta, and this is an intense example — let’s try it again.” He tried it again and got the same result. So he said to the audience, “Well, this one isn’t going to work, but does anyone have a Flash site they’d like to see running?” Someone shouted out “Hulu.” Ryan said, “Hulu doesn’t work,” and then wrapped up his demo, telling people if they wanted to try more sites they could find him later and he’d let them play with his Nexus One.
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it makes me wonder what hulu is doing on their site that it doesn't work...
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Maybe you should taje a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y7XJI4NN7k
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It wasn't bad (I'm not sure how much they cherrypick sites) but it seems in the same general state as I saw it last summer when they (or someone) demoed flash for the first time on an android last summer (back then in development).
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It wasn't bad (I'm not sure how much they cherrypick sites) but it seems in the same general state as I saw it last summer when they (or someone) demoed flash for the first time on an android last summer (back then in development).
Hm, did you notice that a fair bit of the video was browsing and manipulating objects on the site you mention above, Eco Zoo, with the heavy 3D stuff on it.

The Nexus One with 2.2 did perfectly fine, which is impressive, in my book.

Eco Zoo is pretty fun site, BTW.
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The Nexus One with 2.2 did perfectly fine, which is impressive, in my book.
There was some stuttering, but it seemed to run fairly well. Still, it would be wise to keep in mind that this was a demo shot by the same Ryan (Adobe Evangelist) mentioned in the opening post, under controlled conditions. Obviously his live demo of the same site didn't go as well.

When users are running Flash on Android in the wild, we can assess its real-world performance - anything until then is PR fluff.
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It will probably take a while to get the kinks worked out. I'm hoping it works flawlessly (or nearly so) on the upcoming Google tablet.

I'm not a lover or hater of Flash, but it's just too prevalent for me to go without on my net tablet currently, so I need it to work well.

Down the road it may be moot when HTLM 5 or something else mostly replaces it. But it's pretty much a must have for me until then.

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When users are running Flash on Android in the wild, we can assess its real-world performance - anything until then is PR fluff.
oh, come on. that's just crazy talk!
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I can't say for the iPad, but even when flash works "well" on phones, I think I'll prefer dedicated apps that make full use of screen real estate and have less spurious inputs than playing with a flash thingy in a browser (I think the iPhone browser is too finicky as is with detecting hitting a link vs simply scrolling :-/ )

For instance, Pandora as an app is great, but if flash worked in the beginning, and they only had their website thing, that would suck because the controls would be for a desktop and microscopic.

Also, a lot of games won't work, like these:
http://rocksolidarcade.com/

They need keyboard. (I don't think I would want a slide out keyboard nor hitting those tiny keys to play a game).
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For phones I'd agree. I personally don't see much need for Flash on a phone. But then again, I don't have any personal need/desire for a smartphone period, so I'm just not in that market.

For a tablet, it's a must for me until Flash is replaced down the road as too many sites I frequent (especially video sites--which would be a pretty big use of a tablet for me) are reliant on Flash currently.
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For a tablet, it's a must for me until Flash is replaced down the road as too many sites I frequent (especially video sites--which would be a pretty big use of a tablet for me) are reliant on Flash currently.
I think that's entirely reasonable.
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I dunno, seems like Jobs is changing his mind, the latest iPhone OS on the will be getting flash in addition to a true multitasking solution.


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