Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book Software > Sigil

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-06-2010, 02:23 PM   #1
troymc
Groupie
troymc will become famous soon enoughtroymc will become famous soon enoughtroymc will become famous soon enoughtroymc will become famous soon enoughtroymc will become famous soon enoughtroymc will become famous soon enough
 
Posts: 161
Karma: 608
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Plano, TX
Device: Sony PRS-505 + B&N Nook + Motion LE1700 + Motorola Xoom Wifi
multiple references

Just some thoughts regarding using multiple references from the "Things to note" section of your blog entry: http://sigildev.blogspot.com/2010/04...tics-menu.html

I recently converted an older print edition to epub and used 2 titles, 2 introductions + 2 prefaces.

The 2 titles were for the title page & the bastard title. And this was a 2nd edition with introductions & prefaces from each.

I wasn't sure exactly what the standard is for handling these since, as you mentioned, it's not really covered in the standard -- although I do recognize that they could have been combined into one file & one reference each.

The available types in the standard also don't give an option for a frontispiece and I toyed with the idea of tagging/including it as "title" too.

Similarly, many textbooks have 2 tables of contents - one short and one detailed. Before reading your post I would have tagged them individually.


I guess this may just boil down to how individual reading systems end up using these tags.


Thanks for a fantastic program!

Troy
troymc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 03:15 PM   #2
Valloric
Created Sigil, FlightCrew
Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Valloric's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,978
Karma: 350515
Join Date: Feb 2008
Device: Sony Reader PRS 505
I didn't mean to imply that a book should not have more than one introduction or more than one preface. Books certainly can and should, if need be.

My argument was that these should not be put into separate files and then marked as two different references with the same reference type.

The point of the guide element is to ease navigation. In situations where a book has for instance two introductions and two prefaces, I would use one of two options:
  1. Put the introductions into one file, and prefaces into another. Add an appropriate reference type for each. Done. This to me makes the most sense.
  2. Put each introduction and preface into its own file, but put one introduction directly before the other in the spine, and the same for the prefaces. Then add a guide entry for the first of each.
The first option is what I would do, but the second one is viable as well. As I said and as the spec states, the guide is there as a sort of "shortcut" to the various components of a publication. If you link to the first file of several introductions, the reader will encounter the other ones after paging through the first, provided that they are listed in the spine correctly.
Valloric is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 03:50 PM   #3
troymc
Groupie
troymc will become famous soon enoughtroymc will become famous soon enoughtroymc will become famous soon enoughtroymc will become famous soon enoughtroymc will become famous soon enoughtroymc will become famous soon enough
 
Posts: 161
Karma: 608
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Plano, TX
Device: Sony PRS-505 + B&N Nook + Motion LE1700 + Motorola Xoom Wifi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valloric View Post
As I said and as the spec states, the guide is there as a sort of "shortcut" to the various components of a publication. If you link to the first file of several introductions, the reader will encounter the other ones after paging through the first, provided that they are listed in the spine correctly.
That makes sense. I was think of it as labelling components rather than as shortcuts into the epub. 2 quick questions then:

Does Sigil support the page tags of CSS2 so I can force page breaks? Otherwise the prefaces will run together & the frontispieces are going to show up on the bastard title page.

Does Sigil's reference feature support fragments or does it only point at whole files?


Seems I have some more work to do...


Troy
troymc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 04:20 PM   #4
Valloric
Created Sigil, FlightCrew
Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Valloric ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Valloric's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,978
Karma: 350515
Join Date: Feb 2008
Device: Sony Reader PRS 505
Quote:
Originally Posted by troymc View Post
Does Sigil support the page tags of CSS2 so I can force page breaks? Otherwise the prefaces will run together & the frontispieces are going to show up on the bastard title page.
Sigil doesn't change your CSS. If your books had such styles or you added them in Sigil, they will be preserved on export.

It's a different matter entirely whether the Reading Systems will interpret and apply your style rules correctly.

Quote:
Originally Posted by troymc View Post
Does Sigil's reference feature support fragments or does it only point at whole files?
Only whole files.
Valloric is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Multiple references to the same footnote crutledge Sigil 8 08-23-2010 05:33 AM
Unutterably Silly Why all the Lovecraft references? Mobile Mason Lounge 3 12-03-2009 01:53 PM
Can't remember the name of this book - sorry, only vague references Dr. Drib Reading Recommendations 7 10-09-2009 07:54 AM
Fictional references to ebooks and epaper AprilHare News 14 09-24-2009 09:37 AM
Kindle References for Academic Bibliographies MichaelJDrexler Amazon Kindle 0 08-16-2008 06:51 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:12 AM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.