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Old 03-22-2010, 08:30 PM   #16
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Others have addressed the DRM and lossy aspect of digitized music, so I won't touch on that other than to agree 100% with not wanting those in my archive.

Now, that silly piece of plastic, well, I have plenty of music CD's bordering on 20 yrs old and no sign of degradation. I've ripped, and re-ripped some of my discs over the years with no problems at all. Rip once with a good drive and something like EAC on the PC, or XLD on the Mac, to a lossless format and you're good to go for years.
I also haven't seen any degradation in my older CDs which are approaching 25 years of age. All are ripped to a lossless format. Before WMA lossless was around I ripped to MP3 and still do for use on a cheap Sansa Clip that I use when I exercise.

If I'm just interested in a track or two from an album I will buy the mp3 but most of the time I buy the CD.
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Your DRM free digital song will play fine in 20 years,. A silly piece of plastic...... not so much....
A CD-ROM (not CD-R) has a very long lifespan. Moreover, there is no physical wear on the playing surface, warping is only a result of external physical forces (i.e. sitting on them) and oxidisation is only an issue for CD-R's, not CD-ROM's

All you need to read a CD is a spin mechanism and a laser. Comparing them with older mechanisms which suffer from a great number of issues stable optical media don't is simply inaccurate.

You may believe they're obsolete from a philosophical perspective, but from a technical one...
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No, no, NO!

MP3 is a licensed format, so I would not expect companies to continue paying...
They won't have to. Patent protection of decoding on the MP3 standard expires in early 2012, and encoding by 2015.

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They won't have to. Patent protection of decoding on the MP3 standard expires in early 2012, and encoding by 2015.
That sucks, that format needs to die already.
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Heh.

Audiophiles.
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:11 PM   #21
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$10 is still a ripoff, particularly if, as rcuadro says, you can get only the songs you like in iTunes. Aside of that, a CD of 700 mb's can be filled with 150 songs or more, and they tend to pack a dozen or less in every disc.
But say you have a CD of 12 songs and you want the entire CD, you cannot get it from iTunes for less then $10 at 99 cents a track. Plus, you get ALL the bits and not just some of the bits.
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Heh.

Audiophiles.
Oh, I've lost too much hearing to be an audiophile. Besides, I don't care about the oxygen content of my wires, jitter, or the supposed superiority of tube amps. Nor can I tell a difference between SACD and regular redbook.

However, even I can hear clipping in most MP3s on my crappy computer speakers. Hence, I refuse to pay more for an inferior codec vs a CD.
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Heh.

Audiophiles.
of they really want to do it right for lossy audio, MP3 and AAC both need to die and die now. Ogg Vorbis blows both away.
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However, even I can hear clipping in most MP3s on my crappy computer speakers. Hence, I refuse to pay more for an inferior codec vs a CD.
Mm-hum. What sound card do you have, for reference, and what MP3 decoder do you use?

JSWolf - Bluntly, Ogg Vorbis has not achieved anything like mass market penetration for playback - if you're distributing music, you're far better off using LAME-encoded MP3's.

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Old 03-23-2010, 04:36 AM   #25
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I use LAME mp3s at 320kbps, and I can't hear the difference compared to FLAC. I settled on that because most things will play mp3s, but other formats would require multiple rips and I can't be bothered. I took a number of tracks where I could hear "artifacts" of the encoding at 128kbps, and upped the bitrate to find out when they disappeared. For me, 256kbps was indistinguishable from CD, so I went for 320.

On CD life, my experience is that every 100 CDs or so, one will have degraded somewhat (or, at any rate, becomes fussy to rip) over time.
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Mm-hum. What sound card do you have, for reference, and what MP3 decoder do you use?
I use an HT Omega Striker, for reference, with Audacious as the player. I used to have it hooked up via S/PDIF passthrough to a Harman Kardon, and while that sounded much better, I decided it wasn't worth the wires.
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Ah, one of C-Media's midrange. And the card's quality is, as you note, considerably better over S/PDIF - it's designed for use with that. The other output's s/n ratio, bluntly, sucks.

"Clipping", right.
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While not the best you can get, 116 dB hardly sucks. Bluntly, you don't know what the hell you're talking about here, as with so many other subjects.

To borrow a phrase "plonk"
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116 dB only applies to the cards S/SPIF outputs, the others are 98. Try actually reading a professional review of the card next time, before you buy. But hey, don't let these inconvenient facts distract you from ranting about how MP3's are crap!

Oh, and it's *plonk*. Can't even get that right.

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Any idea whether this $10 price will be reflected in a UK equivalent price (or even a £10 "psychologically equivalent" price)?

Presumably, they will be 9.99
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