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Old 03-15-2010, 08:34 PM   #346
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Since you are so fond of asking for proof and links and such I'd be obliged if you could provide some proof or a link or something?

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Old 03-15-2010, 08:35 PM   #347
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In fact, I kinda think it's moved beyond "dead horse" and into "zombie horse," because if it was just dead, you'd expect it to *stay put*, and not move to wherever the newest conversation is taking place.

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Since you are so fond of asking for proof and links and such I'd be obliged if you could provide some proof or a link or something?
Hm, sounds like something just got dropped into a pond. Because, you know, demanding people do what you want is such a mark of not being an egotist. Oh, wait...
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You believe using "right and wrong" as the basis of making decisions is "wrong".(though I'm sure you will term it something else, the end result is the same regardless of the word you choose) You believe using a "more advanced set of concepts and a "better" moral theory" as the basis of making decisions is "right".(again, I'm sure you will term it something else, the end result is the same regardless of the word you choose)

What's to not understand?
You seem to miss that the simplistic concept of right and wrong that was talked about is just a very simplistic concept that cannot be used if you start to think more seriously about how moral theories works and what the words mean. What does it mean for something to be right for example? And so on.

Some people say simplistic things like "killing people is wrong" but when they analyse it they do not mean that. They mean something like "killing people is usually wrong but not in the following cases...". And even that is problematic since most people cannot really specify what they mean by "wrong".
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Old 03-16-2010, 03:46 PM   #350
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Hm, sounds like something just got dropped into a pond. Because, you know, demanding people do what you want is such a mark of not being an egotist. Oh, wait...
I've only asked you do what you have so often asked others to do?

Why isn't what is good for the goose good for the gander in the case?

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Old 03-16-2010, 03:48 PM   #351
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I've only asked you do what you have so often asked others to do?

Why isn't what is good for the goose good for the gander in the case?

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Old 03-16-2010, 03:56 PM   #352
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I've only asked you do what you have so often asked others to do?

Why isn't what is good for the goose good for the gander in the case?

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Old 03-16-2010, 04:30 PM   #353
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You seem to miss that the simplistic concept of right and wrong that was talked about is just a very simplistic concept that cannot be used if you start to think more seriously about how moral theories works and what the words mean. What does it mean for something to be right for example? And so on.

Some people say simplistic things like "killing people is wrong" but when they analyse it they do not mean that. They mean something like "killing people is usually wrong but not in the following cases...". And even that is problematic since most people cannot really specify what they mean by "wrong".
No nothing is simplistic about it, it's very clear what is wrong is what the society you live in says is wrong.
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Old 03-16-2010, 04:37 PM   #354
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Hmm. No, I think I might have to disagree with that statement. What society says is wrong is usually illegal... but not necessarily wrong. Society's been wrong before about such things. The lack of legal gay marriage stands out as an example of that in my mind.

I'd say it's more a matter of ethics themselves than what society has to say about them.
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Old 03-16-2010, 04:41 PM   #355
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Hmm. No, I think I might have to disagree with that statement. What society says is wrong is usually illegal... but not necessarily wrong. Society's been wrong before about such things. The lack of legal gay marriage stands out as an example of that in my mind.

I'd say it's more a matter of ethics themselves than what society has to say about them.

This is only true if you believe in absolutes of right and wrong -- which I've been accused of, but is not true.
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I've only asked you do what you have so often asked others to do?
Because I've asked people to provide data to back up their positions, not provide personally identifying details or reveal details of personal encounters - there are absolutely no similarities between the situations.

I'm also formally informing you that your attempt to obtain my personal data by deception has been noted, and that it would not be a good idea for you to try and do so again. (Wouldn't be the first time I've had people try and do so, and let's just say there's been quite the mess...)

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Because I've asked people to provide data to back up their positions, not provide personally identifying details or reveal details of personal encounters - there are absolutely no similarities between the situations.
And all I've done is ask you to provide data to back up your claim.
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I'm also formally informing you that your attempt to obtain my personal data by deception has been noted, and that it would not be a good idea for you to try and do so again. (Wouldn't be the first time I've had people try and do so, and let's just say there's been quite the mess...)
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Duly noted!

And thanks for the giggles.

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Oh I'm so pleased you think that attempted GBH by skinhead thugs is so amusing. This says everything anyone needs to know about your moral stance then*. There is absolutely nothing amusing about this whatsoever.

And no, you're asking for personal data. Again.

*To be clear: you care about getting cheap kicks rather than the actual facts because you're continuing to press for personal data when you know this is nothing to do with the statistical data I've asked for in the past. This shows your posturing of a few pages ago up nicely, and also your comment on what "some people want". I bet.

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No nothing is simplistic about it, it's very clear what is wrong is what the society you live in says is wrong.
So, if you live in a society that says that slavery is OK, then it's OK? Are you really saying that the majority should not only rule, but that their view, or the accepted view, or the law, or whatever it is that you mean - is morally right?

Under that definition, any attempt to change the accepted view is by definition wrong. But, if it works, it's right!

Are you saying that if we have a generation that grows up with file sharing and decides that information wants to be free, then if society says it's right, it will be right? Under that view, your complaints that society have no moral fibre any more make no sense - it's simply that what is right is shifting. It seems to me that, by your own argument, what you often advocate as right (i.e. that people shouldn't violate copyright), is by your own definition wrong (because society doesn't share your view, so your view is wrong).
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Oh I'm so pleased you think that attempted GBH by skinhead thugs is so amusing.
When I look up 'non-sequitur' in an on-line dictionary it's actually directs you to this post

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This says everything anyone needs to know about your moral stance then. There is absolutely nothing amusing about this whatsoever.

And no, you're asking for personal data. Again.
And by the way, I have personally squared the circle, discovered the whereabouts of Atlantis, disproved chaos theory and worked out how alchemy works. Unfortunately, proving that to you would mean divulging some personal information so it was all really wasted effort
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