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Old 02-28-2010, 06:19 PM   #1
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Question NIV Bible

After having some issues with the NIV bible I downloaded from Sony, I thought I would do a search here. It turns out that I am not alone when I think the navigation is very poor. Sherman has a REALLY well done KJV with an AWESOME TOC. I grabbed it, but the truth is, I prefer to read the NIV. So, I downloaded the Sony version.

With the knowledge that I would simply have to bear the navigation of the Sony ePUB, something even more terrible happened today. While in church, the pastor was sharing about Jacob and Esau. Braving the giggle from my wife as I pulled out my new PRS-600, I navigated to Genesis 33. As I was reading, I saw a VERY unusual anomaly in a passage. This is what the Sony eBook says:

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Gen 33:13 But Jacob said to him, "My LORD knows that the children are tender and that I must care for the ewes and cows that are nursing their young. If they are driven hard just one day, all the animals will die. 14 So let my LORD go on ahead of his servant, while I move along slowly at the pace of the droves before me and that of the children, until I come to my LORD in Seir."
The bold emphasis is wrong -- VERY wrong. This following, via BibleGateway.co, is correct with emphasis added again:

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Gen 33:13 But Jacob said to him, "My lord knows that the children are tender and that I must care for the ewes and cows that are nursing their young. If they are driven hard just one day, all the animals will die. 14 So let my lord go on ahead of his servant, while I move along slowly at the pace of the droves before me and that of the children, until I come to my lord in Seir."
For those who aren't aware, when you see LORD in all caps, it indicates God's name -- Yahweh. When you see lord in lower case, that is a term meaning the following: a person who has authority, control, or power over others; a master, chief, or ruler.

This totally destroys my trust in this eBook now. What else is wrong could be wrong? I personally think the Bible is very important and seeing this confusion in the text is a terrible thing.

I am going to contact All4Fun and see if his NIV Bible straight from the publisher has this problem also. Ugh.

With all that said, does anyone have any advice on where I can get a usable NIV bible that doesn't have the problem that this Sony edition has?

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Old 03-01-2010, 12:27 AM   #2
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I have been on the look out for a nice NIV study bible eBook as well. But I have had no luck.
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Old 03-01-2010, 02:26 AM   #3
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I agree. That should not be. Thanks for making us aware of that too.

Me too here. Still finding a good NIV Bible.
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Old 03-01-2010, 05:07 AM   #4
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That's a very serious problem with the text. I'd ask Sony for a refund.
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Old 03-01-2010, 05:38 AM   #5
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That's a very serious problem with the text. I'd ask Sony for a refund.
It's not Sony's fault. The error is in the original Zondervan mobipocket version - if I remember rightly I bought mine directly from Zondervan.

We should let Zondervan know directly. The error is not found in my wife's large print version.

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Old 03-01-2010, 09:18 AM   #6
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It's not Sony's fault. The error is in the original Zondervan mobipocket version - if I remember rightly I bought mine directly from Zondervan.

We should let Zondervan know directly. The error is not found in my wife's large print version.

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Are you able to verify for me that the problem is in fact in the Zondervan version? I am already talking to Sony, but I have to go through some hoops first. I am going to recommend that they remove the product because for anyone who cares about the accuracy of the text (I would assume most every Bible reader), then they shouldn't sell this. After that, I am going to contact Zondervan. I wonder if the B&N version has this problem too. If I recall right, they all have different ISBN's...
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Old 03-01-2010, 11:24 AM   #7
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So, I contacted Sony this morning. They claim that they will refund me. I also asked them to take the book down for now, but I don't think they will, which is sad.

I have also contacted Zondervan to let them know. Who knows what's going to happen there.

I think I will leave a warning review on the Sony store later (when I am not connected to the net via VPN/Proxy... apparently the Reader Library doesn't like that).

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Sorry Bakura82 for only responding now...

Yes, my epub version of the NIV Bible directly from Zondervan has the same error with lord in ALL CAPS.

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Sorry Bakura82 for only responding now...

Yes, my epub version of the NIV Bible directly from Zondervan has the same error with lord in ALL CAPS.
No problem. Once I get I actually get a reply, I will let them know that it is in their version too. Not cool, but stuff happens...
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No problem. Once I get I actually get a reply, I will let them know that it is in their version too. Not cool, but stuff happens...
It is common to have Lord in small-caps when it refers to deity. Perhaps that is what they are doing and the ePUB rendering engine is not honoring it.

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Except the issue here is that it is not referring to the deity, but to, e.g. someone's superior.
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Except the issue here is that it is not referring to the deity, but to, e.g. someone's superior.
Sounds like someone must have gotten carried away with the use of the caps. That is certainly not how it is defined in the translators preface.

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Anyone had any success with emailing Zondervan about this problem? I'm just getting a runaround about them needing more information - ISBN etc.

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I have only recieved the following from Zondervan when I brought it up:
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I apologize for your disappointment with your NIV bible download.

In our continuing effort to produce quality eBooks and Bible eBooks, we are working on an improved version of the NIV text the eBook format. However, this is an unfortunate error with the font and the download file is in the process of being corrected.

Thank you for contacting Zondervan,
Melissa
I wrote again asking them to remove it from their site for now, resubmit the new version to their distributors, and reissue the new file to anyone who already purchased it. No response though. :/

As for Sony, they refunded me my money, which is good. However, they have yet to respond to the same requests I sent Zondervan. Not only that, I review the book in the Sony store and put a warning to all users, but Sony screens them and has yet to post it.

I am pretty frustrated by this. It's one thing if the book was fiction. However, a lot of people base their life off of this book. It's a little more important than fiction. I wish they would just do this right.

I have absolutely no word on when the corrections will actually be made.
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Thanks, Bakura82. You got a better response than I did, but as you say there is no indication as to when the error will be corrected.

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