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Old 02-26-2010, 11:05 AM   #1
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Funny I don't feel like a criminal

Last week I purchased Michael Crichton's newest book, Pirate Latitudes. Excellent book by the way. I read the book. I removed the book from my reader. Then I stripped the DRM and emailed the book to my mother. I am now a criminal. I didn't post the book onto the darknet. There is only one copy floating around, it is currently in my mothers possession. Unlike a physical copy it will probably end there as not enough of our friends and family have ebook readers (I'm working on that). As the title say's "Funny, I don't feel like a criminal".
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Old 02-26-2010, 11:12 AM   #2
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I do it ALL the time I have shared books with my mother and one friend (those are the only two people close to me that are ardent readers and share my tastes) since I can remember. I did it with paper books and I now do it with ebooks. If it is illegal, so be it. I'm not gonna stop sharing things I love with the people I love.
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Old 02-26-2010, 11:17 AM   #3
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Yeah, even being an ardent supporter of copyright law etc., I'd hardly bash people for doing that.

I'm no supporter of DRM. People who buy an e-book need to be able to do the same things they're legally allowed to do with a paperbook. Loan it to a friend/family member, give it away or sell it (can't keep a copy for yourself though) etc.

My issue is with people who put stuff on the darknets, or those who download from the darknets rather than buying a copy etc. Not people who strip DRM to put their book on other devices, or to loan it to a couple of friends like they used to do with a paper book they loved and wanted other's to read etc.

DRM stinks as it does nothing to stop pirates and just creates hassles for those who do buy the content legally.
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Old 02-26-2010, 11:18 AM   #4
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Old 02-26-2010, 12:03 PM   #5
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Old 02-26-2010, 12:32 PM   #6
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Last week I purchased Michael Crichton's newest book, Pirate Latitudes. Excellent book by the way. I read the book. I removed the book from my reader. Then I stripped the DRM and emailed the book to my mother. I am now a criminal. I didn't post the book onto the darknet. There is only one copy floating around, it is currently in my mothers possession. Unlike a physical copy it will probably end there as not enough of our friends and family have ebook readers (I'm working on that). As the title say's "Funny, I don't feel like a criminal".
So you deleted all copies from your PC? You've removed the copy you downloaded from your internet cache? You've deleted the copy of the e-mail from the "send items" folder of your mail program? If the answer to any of these is "no", then how can you say that "there is only one copy floating around"?
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Old 02-26-2010, 12:36 PM   #7
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So you deleted all copies from your PC? You've removed the copy you downloaded from your internet cache? You've deleted the copy of the e-mail from the "send items" folder of your mail program? If the answer to any of these is "no", then how can you say that "there is only one copy floating around"?
Easy, the other copies are not floating around since they are unused and unlooked at at a static location.
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Old 02-26-2010, 12:41 PM   #8
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Old 02-26-2010, 12:43 PM   #9
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Yeah, even being an ardent supporter of copyright law etc., I'd hardly bash people for doing that.

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DRM stinks as it does nothing to stop pirates and just creates hassles for those who do buy the content legally.
You imply it doesn't just about automatically turn people who do buy content legally into pirates!

I bought a Kindle book on Amazon, downloaded the PRC, stripped the DRM, converted to EPUB, and dumped it onto my Sony. Pirate!
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Old 02-26-2010, 12:48 PM   #10
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Last week I purchased Michael Crichton's newest book, Pirate Latitudes. Excellent book by the way. I read the book. I removed the book from my reader. Then I stripped the DRM and emailed the book to my mother. I am now a criminal. I didn't post the book onto the darknet. There is only one copy floating around, it is currently in my mothers possession. Unlike a physical copy it will probably end there as not enough of our friends and family have ebook readers (I'm working on that). As the title say's "Funny, I don't feel like a criminal".
I would not post things like that. You never know who's reading, Big Brother may be watching you. And I don't think we are as anonymous as we tend to think here on the net.
I'm not saying that what you do is wrong (who am I to judge you?).
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So you deleted all copies from your PC? You've removed the copy you downloaded from your internet cache? You've deleted the copy of the e-mail from the "send items" folder of your mail program? If the answer to any of these is "no", then how can you say that "there is only one copy floating around"?
All of which are silly technicalities, trivial to overcome, and completely irrelevant to the point. Reminds me of when software companies tried to claim that loading a copy into memory was copyright infringement.
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Last week I purchased Michael Crichton's newest book, Pirate Latitudes. Excellent book by the way. I read the book. I removed the book from my reader. Then I stripped the DRM and emailed the book to my mother. I am now a criminal. I didn't post the book onto the darknet. There is only one copy floating around, it is currently in my mothers possession. Unlike a physical copy it will probably end there as not enough of our friends and family have ebook readers (I'm working on that). As the title say's "Funny, I don't feel like a criminal".
As long as you and your mother doesn't use it at the same time it shouldn't be a problem (except the 'illegal removed DRM' (depends on your country)).
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All of which are silly technicalities, trivial to overcome, and completely irrelevant to the point. Reminds me of when software companies tried to claim that loading a copy into memory was copyright infringement.
A la the "server copy" and "buffer copy" definitions that long ago cropped up as licensors sought money from folks offering streaming/downloading media.
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Last week I purchased Michael Crichton's newest book, Pirate Latitudes. Excellent book by the way. I read the book. I removed the book from my reader. Then I stripped the DRM and emailed the book to my mother. I am now a criminal. I didn't post the book onto the darknet. There is only one copy floating around, it is currently in my mothers possession. Unlike a physical copy it will probably end there as not enough of our friends and family have ebook readers (I'm working on that). As the title say's "Funny, I don't feel like a criminal".
Be aware that most eBook sellers claim they did not "sell" you a book but licensed it to you. Where this is criminal activity or not I don't know I'm no lawyer, but clearly you have broken the EULA agreement.

I do agree with you however that it is silly that with a physical book it's perfectly okay to lend somebody a book but an electronic book it is treated as copyright infringement.

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All of which are silly technicalities, trivial to overcome, and completely irrelevant to the point.
No they aren't. The poster claimed that "there was only one copy". I am simply pointing out that this is highly unlikely to be true.

Perhaps the original poster would prefer to amend his statement to say "only one other person has copies". I'd be fine with that.
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