MobileRead Forums
Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > News

Welcome to the MobileRead Forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community today, you will have fewer ads, access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features.

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Hint: Don't have time to visit us daily? Subscribe to our main RSS feed to receive our frontpage posts at your convenience.

Notices

News Latest on e-books, e-paper, DRM and related technologies

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 01-31-2010, 06:04 PM   #1
anurag
Addict
anurag has a spectacular aura aboutanurag has a spectacular aura aboutanurag has a spectacular aura aboutanurag has a spectacular aura aboutanurag has a spectacular aura aboutanurag has a spectacular aura aboutanurag has a spectacular aura aboutanurag has a spectacular aura aboutanurag has a spectacular aura aboutanurag has a spectacular aura aboutanurag has a spectacular aura about
 
Posts: 235
Karma: 4010
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: California
Device: Kindle 1 and DX, iPhone
Amazon says 'will have to capitulate and accept Macmillan's terms'

From http://www.amazon.com/tag/kindle/for...ype=tagsDetail

Quote:
Dear Customers:

Macmillan, one of the "big six" publishers, has clearly communicated to us that, regardless of our viewpoint, they are committed to switching to an agency model and charging $12.99 to $14.99 for e-book versions of bestsellers and most hardcover releases.

We have expressed our strong disagreement and the seriousness of our disagreement by temporarily ceasing the sale of all Macmillan titles. We want you to know that ultimately, however, we will have to capitulate and accept Macmillan's terms because Macmillan has a monopoly over their own titles, and we will want to offer them to you even at prices we believe are needlessly high for e-books. Amazon customers will at that point decide for themselves whether they believe it's reasonable to pay $14.99 for a bestselling e-book. We don't believe that all of the major publishers will take the same route as Macmillan. And we know for sure that many independent presses and self-published authors will see this as an opportunity to provide attractively priced e-books as an alternative.

Kindle is a business for Amazon, and it is also a mission. We never expected it to be easy!

Thank you for being a customer.
anurag is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Enthusiast
Old 01-31-2010, 06:06 PM   #2
Bremen Cole
Wizard
Bremen Cole plays well with othersBremen Cole plays well with othersBremen Cole plays well with othersBremen Cole plays well with othersBremen Cole plays well with othersBremen Cole plays well with othersBremen Cole plays well with othersBremen Cole plays well with othersBremen Cole plays well with othersBremen Cole plays well with othersBremen Cole plays well with others
 
Bremen Cole's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,091
Karma: 2718
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Texas
Device: iPad
Hate to see them cave, but I can understand why. I think it is unrealistic to thing the other publishers will not try the same thing. We shall see.......
__________________
Bremen Cole
Music = http://www.bremencole.com
Bike Journal = http://www.bikejournal.com/journal_p...ame=BremenCole
Bremen Cole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2010, 06:07 PM   #3
guyanonymous
Fanatic
guyanonymous can extract oil from cheeseguyanonymous can extract oil from cheeseguyanonymous can extract oil from cheeseguyanonymous can extract oil from cheeseguyanonymous can extract oil from cheeseguyanonymous can extract oil from cheeseguyanonymous can extract oil from cheeseguyanonymous can extract oil from cheeseguyanonymous can extract oil from cheese
 
Posts: 513
Karma: 1182
Join Date: Dec 2007
Device: Ebookwise 1150 / 1200
meow.
guyanonymous is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2010, 06:10 PM   #4
Pardoz
Which side are you on?
Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.
 
Posts: 370
Karma: 1964
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Variable, currently Czestochowa, Poland.
Device: Kindle 2 Int'l
Not a huge surprise - Amazon made their point, now we consumers get to make ours.
Pardoz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2010, 06:11 PM   #5
lilac_jive
Grand Wizard
lilac_jive can tie a knot in a cherry stem with his or her tonguelilac_jive can tie a knot in a cherry stem with his or her tonguelilac_jive can tie a knot in a cherry stem with his or her tonguelilac_jive can tie a knot in a cherry stem with his or her tonguelilac_jive can tie a knot in a cherry stem with his or her tonguelilac_jive can tie a knot in a cherry stem with his or her tonguelilac_jive can tie a knot in a cherry stem with his or her tonguelilac_jive can tie a knot in a cherry stem with his or her tonguelilac_jive can tie a knot in a cherry stem with his or her tonguelilac_jive can tie a knot in a cherry stem with his or her tonguelilac_jive can tie a knot in a cherry stem with his or her tongue
 
lilac_jive's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,599
Karma: 22038
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Pennsylvania
Device: PRS-505
Wow, great letter. Amazon's all but saying boycott MacMillan.
__________________
Need something to read? Check out my blog, The Book Plate!

http://bookplatereads.blogspot.com
lilac_jive is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2010, 06:15 PM   #6
phenomshel
Mean old bat
phenomshel can self-interpret dreams as they happen.phenomshel can self-interpret dreams as they happen.phenomshel can self-interpret dreams as they happen.phenomshel can self-interpret dreams as they happen.phenomshel can self-interpret dreams as they happen.phenomshel can self-interpret dreams as they happen.phenomshel can self-interpret dreams as they happen.phenomshel can self-interpret dreams as they happen.phenomshel can self-interpret dreams as they happen.phenomshel can self-interpret dreams as they happen.phenomshel can self-interpret dreams as they happen.
 
phenomshel's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,184
Karma: 20057
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: The Frozen North (aka Illinois, USA)
Device: ASUS T91MT (Li'l Bit); BB Storm 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremen Cole View Post
Hate to see them cave, but I can understand why. I think it is unrealistic to thing the other publishers will not try the same thing. We shall see.......
I agree. I'm torn, here. Being able to get the books in ebook format in the first place is one hurdle. Being able to get them cheap - I don't expect the moon.

Now that MacMillan has "won"; the othe publishers will be right behind them, I'm afraid.
phenomshel is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2010, 06:15 PM   #7
Pardoz
Which side are you on?
Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.Pardoz once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.
 
Posts: 370
Karma: 1964
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Variable, currently Czestochowa, Poland.
Device: Kindle 2 Int'l
Quote:
Originally Posted by lilac_jive View Post
Amazon's all but saying boycott MacMillan.
I would, but Macmillan would have to publish e-books I want to buy first. (They have plenty of books, I'd love to buy, from authors I like, just not as e-books.)
Pardoz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2010, 06:19 PM   #8
GBerlin
Junior Member
GBerlin began at the beginning.
 
GBerlin's Avatar
 
Posts: 8
Karma: 10
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Berlin, DE, formerly NY,USA
Device: Kindle2Global
I'll be voting with my pocketbook. In cases where Macmillan operates as it has in the past, keeping e-books higher than PB, I will either buy a PB or stop buying that author. I will not buy new releases over 10$, because at that point I would wait for the PB release, except for the 7-10 authors I would buy in HC. And since I don't get a HC with an e-book, it's not worth it to me.
GBerlin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2010, 06:19 PM   #9
starrigger
Jeffrey A. Carver
starrigger plays well with othersstarrigger plays well with othersstarrigger plays well with othersstarrigger plays well with othersstarrigger plays well with othersstarrigger plays well with othersstarrigger plays well with othersstarrigger plays well with othersstarrigger plays well with othersstarrigger plays well with othersstarrigger plays well with others
 
starrigger's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,001
Karma: 2609
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Device: Cassiopeia EM500 (R.I.P.), PRS-700, and Axim X50V
Quote:
Originally Posted by lilac_jive View Post
Amazon's all but saying boycott MacMillan.
Naw, they're not. They're saying, don't pay more than you want to for an ebook. Very different.

Interesting that they didn't mention, they had the option of continuing on the same basis, but with delayed publication. (With MacMillan, that hardly even matters, since they're so slow in getting the ebooks out anyway.)

I will be curious to see what other publishers do.
__________________
Jeffrey A. Carver
Science Fiction Worlds at starrigger.net | guide to my ebooks | free ebooks
Pushing a Snake at starrigger.blogspot.com | ebooks thread
Free writing course at writeSF.com

Last edited by starrigger; 01-31-2010 at 06:22 PM.
starrigger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2010, 06:20 PM   #10
stustaff
Wizard
stustaff knows what time it isstustaff knows what time it isstustaff knows what time it isstustaff knows what time it isstustaff knows what time it isstustaff knows what time it isstustaff knows what time it isstustaff knows what time it isstustaff knows what time it isstustaff knows what time it isstustaff knows what time it is
 
Posts: 1,043
Karma: 2110
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Derbyshire UK
Device: sony reader PRS505 and 600
Hmm find this really interesting, on the one hand

I want a strong book industry with authors being well rewarded and thus encouraged(and I feel tehy deserve to make as good a living as a tv writer or movie star)
Not sure what role the publisher will eventually fill especially in the ebook market as it seems Author-Editor-Agent-Retailer cover all thats needed.

However I am happy to pay $15 for a book I like when its new! However it must then drop in price, for example I would only buy my favourite books at $15 maybe 10 a year, the rest I would not pay over $10 and am happy that to do that I have to say wait 3 months after initial release window.
stustaff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2010, 06:26 PM   #11
MikeRo
Connoisseur
MikeRo has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.MikeRo has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.MikeRo has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.MikeRo has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.
 
Posts: 89
Karma: 382
Join Date: Oct 2009
Device: Sony PRS-300
Well, thanks Mr. Jobs.

From http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/01/ipa...ublishers.html:

Quote:
The Wall Street Journal says Apple is pushing book publishers to set two ebook price points, $12.99 and $14.99, with Apple taking its customary 30 percent cut from any sales. They key word in all this is "set." The big kahuna of ebooks, Amazon, controls its pricing. Most bestsellers are parked at $9.99, which is below what Amazon pays a publisher for a title. Amazon is subsidizing its low price point.
In addition:
Quote:
Update 1/31: Macmillan fired the first shot across Amazon's bow, which led to Amazon pulling Macmillan titles. Amazon has since backed down and reluctantly agreed to Macmillan's terms. The Wall Street Journal puts the disagreement in context:

It is expected that publishers will now seek to do business with Amazon and other e-book retailers on the same terms as with Apple. By setting their own prices, publishers would be able to eliminate discounting on Amazon and elsewhere that they believe threatens the long-term business model of publishing.

What's really interesting about this -- and kind of bizarre -- is that the binary Apple-or-Amazon thinking obscures an important point: mobile devices already offer publishers plenty of pricing options.
MikeRo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2010, 06:34 PM   #12
JoeD
Zealot
JoeD doesn't litterJoeD doesn't litter
 
Posts: 133
Karma: 124
Join Date: Nov 2007
Device: Hanlin v3
Quote:
Originally Posted by lilac_jive View Post
Wow, great letter. Amazon's all but saying boycott MacMillan.
To be fair, they don't really need to say it. If prices go up, I will stop buying the ebooks with those prices. I'll pay up to $5-6 for a book currently that I fancy reading and at most $9.99 if it's an author I know and love to read.
If all the publishers follow suit, then that'll put an end to my days reading best sellers.

I hope more authors start to sell directly from their websites at reasonable prices and through non exclusive deals with as many online retailers as they can get their hands on. Those are the authors who will be getting my money in the future if ebook pricing isn't sorted out (in fact they're the authors getting my money right now, as most existing ebook prices are outside what I'm willing to pay).
JoeD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2010, 06:41 PM   #13
wallcraft
reader
wallcraft is clearly one to watchwallcraft is clearly one to watchwallcraft is clearly one to watchwallcraft is clearly one to watchwallcraft is clearly one to watchwallcraft is clearly one to watchwallcraft is clearly one to watchwallcraft is clearly one to watchwallcraft is clearly one to watchwallcraft is clearly one to watchwallcraft is clearly one to watch
 
wallcraft's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,759
Karma: 10704
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Mississippi, USA
Device: iLiad, Kindle 1, EZ Reader Basic and Pocket Pro
This is great news for the independent ebook stores, such as Books on Board, because now every single US ebook store will be selling ebooks at exactly the same price. So there are only two discriminators: a) customer service, and b) device lock-in. Devices with wireless access to a home store have some lock-in, but only Amazon with its AZW format has a solid near monopoly on its Kindle owners for ebooks. There may be lost Kindle device purchases because it no longer has lower ebook prices than its competitors, but the Kindle momentum is strong and the Kindle store still have the most extensive catalog.

The biggest looser is B&N, because they can't provide discounts to keep Nook owners loyal (and get more Nook purchases) and they generally have bad customer service. Fictionwise (owned by B&N) has loyal customers, but they won't be able to discount ebooks from major publishers any more.

Last edited by wallcraft; 01-31-2010 at 06:43 PM.
wallcraft is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2010, 06:46 PM   #14
bwaldron
Wizard
bwaldron once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.bwaldron once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.bwaldron once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.bwaldron once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.bwaldron once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.bwaldron once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.bwaldron once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.bwaldron once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.bwaldron once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.bwaldron once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.bwaldron once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.
 
bwaldron's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,007
Karma: 1646
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tampa, Florida, USA
Device: Cybook Gen3, Kindle 1 & 2, Motorola Droid
Quote:
Originally Posted by starrigger View Post
Naw, they're not. They're saying, don't pay more than you want to for an ebook. Very different.
Not different to me. I will not be buying from MacMillan any longer.
__________________
Bill
bwaldron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2010, 06:52 PM   #15
jasonkchapman
Guru
jasonkchapman once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.jasonkchapman once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.jasonkchapman once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.jasonkchapman once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.jasonkchapman once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.jasonkchapman once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.jasonkchapman once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.jasonkchapman once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.jasonkchapman once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.jasonkchapman once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.jasonkchapman once ate a cherry pie in a record 7 seconds.
 
jasonkchapman's Avatar
 
Posts: 625
Karma: 1591
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: NYC
Device: Sony Reader, nook, Blackberry Curve
Quote:
Originally Posted by wallcraft View Post
Fictionwise (owned by B&N) has loyal customers, but they won't be able to discount ebooks from major publishers any more.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure FW already operates on an agency basis. Also, I'm not sure a change from a distributor/retailer model to an agency model will impact the function of "buyer's club" programs, which is the source of FW's best discounts. B&N, though they're not using it for e-books yet, has a substantial buyers club program in place already. My guess is that, if they're pushed to an agency model (assuming they aren't already operating that way), they will accelerate incorporating buyers club discounts on e-books.
__________________
www.jasonkchapman.com | "Inside Job" - issue #42 of Andromeda Spaceways Inflight Magazine | "More Things in Heaven and Earth" - in the anthology Triangulation: Dark Glass | "Brief Candle" - 11/2009 issue of Clarkesworld Magazine | "The Singers of Rhodes" - in the anthology Panverse One (Kindle Edition Avail.)
jasonkchapman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Battery life in terms of recharge times sarikan iRex 7 10-23-2008 02:35 PM
pdflrf: Possible non-compliance of GPL terms ashkulz Feedback 2 09-05-2008 12:05 AM
How do I know what the reader is capable of in terms of reading a PDF? andyd Sony Reader 11 09-10-2007 10:10 AM
Speaking to me:Terms and Conditions Bob Russell Lounge 1 11-14-2005 09:01 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:21 PM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.