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Old 12-20-2009, 01:39 PM   #31
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I owe you an apology... I was replying to your comment, but the "that" I was referring to was the linked article. I can easily see how you got that impression that I meant your comment.

You read exactly what I posted, but what I wrote was poorly phrased.

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Old 12-20-2009, 02:07 PM   #32
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Oh, please. It's trivial to fake a normal URL if someone wants to dupe you:

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/12/18/amazon-kindle-sets-record-e-reader-race-is-over/


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If you read that without any knowledge of the background, it comes across as 'the two newcomers clearly didn't have enough know-how to have enough stock...'
Keeping in mind that again, I don't particularly agree with the article:

I don't think that's what the article is suggesting at all. They're saying that B&N and Sony are missing a critical sales window, while Amazon has enough stock to exploit the hype / interest during the time of year where a lot of product is sold. (Plus Sony isn't a "newcomer," it preceded Amazon in this market.) I.e. he's focusing on the "missed opportunity," not manufacturing skills.

Thus, the real question is whether or not this holiday season will be critical in terms of determining long-term market share. And while Amazon can say "we're selling more Kindles than ever," without hard numbers it's very difficult to determine the true status of this horse race....
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Old 12-20-2009, 02:28 PM   #33
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I don't think that's what the article is suggesting at all. They're saying that B&N and Sony are missing a critical sales window, while Amazon has enough stock to exploit the hype / interest during the time of year where a lot of product is sold. (Plus Sony isn't a "newcomer," it preceded Amazon in this market.) I.e. he's focusing on the "missed opportunity," not manufacturing skills.
While Sony's had a few previous readers and we know about, the article clearly implies that Sony is a newbie in the ereader market by closely coupling 'this year Sony released' to 'Barnes & Noble entered the market'

Add in 'Meanwhile, Amazon, an old pro in this market,' which is clearly meant to imply that they know what they're doing and obviously have had no supply problems of their own during past holidays, despite the fact that the DX now has a 4-to-6 week shipping delay.

If all the article did was say that Sony ad B&N were missing an important sales window, it would be fine, but the article does more than that: it implies that the newcomers are incompetent and the All-Perfect Amazon has its act together - like always.

The line that Amazon 'managed its supply chain well and can continue to fulfill' implies that it always has done so, because, well... they're the best!

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Thus, the real question is whether or not this holiday season will be critical in terms of determining long-term market share. And while Amazon can say "we're selling more Kindles than ever," without hard numbers it's very difficult to determine the true status of this horse race....
Every year is always portrayed 'critical' in any market, so I don't think that will be likely to be resolved this year, but I've maintained almost from the beginning that if Amazon was so handily beating its competition, it wouldn't be afraid to release numbers to back up the claims.

They are obviously banking (not unreasonably) that by pounding home the party line that "we're the biggest, we're the best, we out-sell'em all" without proof that they will do so at some point buy discouraging purchases of other units.

The "if you build it, they will come" school of hype.

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Well it's the perfect christmas gift so no suprises here. It's especially great for older relatives, the amount of mothers/fathers and grandparents receiving these this year from tech savvy kids must be huge.

I've already bought my mom one and she LOVES it. More readers on ebook devices means more market share, all the better for the technology!
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Old 12-20-2009, 05:55 PM   #35
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While Sony's had a few previous readers and we know about, the article clearly implies that Sony is a newbie in the ereader market by closely coupling 'this year Sony released' to 'Barnes & Noble entered the market'...
No, it doesn't. I concur the author glossing over previous supply issues, but again that's because manufacturing prowess is not the point of the article. You're just reading way too much into a very brief article, written by some random financial blogger who rarely even covers the publishing industry.

As to Amazon's press releases, they aren't doing anything different from any other competitor. No one is releasing numbers, and everyone is spinning whatever news, information, marketing and PR as they can to their advantage.
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Old 12-20-2009, 10:44 PM   #36
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Old 12-20-2009, 10:48 PM   #37
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Nobody's saying anyone's lying. They're saying that this article looks like shilling for Amazon (and I agree, it does), and that "more than" is pretty useless unless you have some idea of what they sold before and now...which we don't. Heck, is there any sales data for a reader out there?

It's hardly unique behaviour by a long way, but it is PR puffery.
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Old 12-21-2009, 06:56 AM   #38
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I think the most current and relevant statistic published to date remians the Wired interview in October where Bezos claims 48% of sales of books where Kindle and paper versions exist are Kindle sales.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/...tional-kindle/

Annoying as the original article is for all the reasons above, I bet Amazon have shipped boat loads of Kindles in the past couple of months. Still haven't seen one in the UK, and Sonys are getting less rare on the commuter trains these days

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