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Old 12-15-2009, 12:01 PM   #1
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4% Steuer auf E-Books

In Spanien gilt nun auch die gemäßigte Umsatzsteuer (4%) für E-Books.
Warum begreift das in Deutschlang noch keiner?

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Warum begreift das in Deutschlang noch keiner?

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Warum begreift das in Deutschlang noch keiner?
Begreifen tut's ja jeder. Nur umsetzen will es die wortführende Lobby nicht. Bei der unwiderlegbaren Marktmacht der eBooks in Deutschand würde es bei einem Steuersatz von 7% nicht einmal 5,34 Tage dauern (ohne Mittagspause), bis alle Buchhändler hinweggefegt und alle Printverlage der Verdammnis preisgegeben wären.

Die 19% dienen also verdientermaßen der Rettung des christlichen Abendlandes. Noch jemand etwas Rotwein zur Hostie?

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Old 12-15-2009, 03:50 PM   #4
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Die 19% dienen als verdientermaßen der Rettung des christlichen Abendlandes. Noch jemand etwas Rotwein zur Hostie?
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Warum begreift das in Deutschlang noch keiner?

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Interessanterweise bezieht sich der spanische Gesetzgeber dabei auf die Umsetzung einer EU-Richtlinie. Meinen die damit 2006/112/EG (bzw. deren Änderung 2009/47/EG)? Das wäre interessant, da in Deutschland offensichtlich kein Bedarf gesehen wird, die Gesetzgebung so anzupassen, dass auch eBooks u.ä. erfasst werden.

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Was jetzt? Haben die Spanier nur eine Empfehlung umgesetzt oder meinst Du, dass 2006/112/EG nur eine Empfehlung sei?
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Es handelte sich wohl tatsächlich nur um eine EU-Empfehlung und nicht um 2006/112/EG.
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Es handelte sich wohl tatsächlich nur um eine EU-Empfehlung und nicht um 2006/112/EG.
Schade eigentlich. Aber immerhin! Ich finde die 4% vollkommen in Ordnung.
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Die 19% dienen also verdientermaßen der Rettung des christlichen Abendlandes. Noch jemand etwas Rotwein zur Hostie?
Nee, soll wohl eher die notleidenden Hotelbesitzer in Deutschland retten.


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Wenn Du Deinen Verlag nun offiziell nach Spanien verlegst (oder Deinen Download-Server)? Kannst Du dann auch deutschsprachige eBooks via Download nach Deutschland zu 4% MWST verkaufen. Gilt dann eigentlich die Buchpreisbindung noch ?

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Wenn ich meinen Sitz in Spanien hätte, dürfte ich sie mit 4% anbieten. Es gilt der Sitz des Verlags, nicht die Sprache oder wohin er sie verkauft. Im Internet stellt sich bei Downloads die Fage nach dem "wohin" ja prinzipiell erst mal nicht mehr.
Daher gilt auch die Buchpreisbindung dann nicht mehr. Es sei denn, es gäbe auch eine spanische Variante davon.

Und da ich - im Vergleich zu meinen "großen Kollegen" - die eBook-Rechte weltweit haben, bin ich auch keinen regionalen Grezen unterworfen.

Hmmm, Mooooment ... Marc, ich suche da grad ein kleines Büro mit Blick aufs Meer. Südseite bitte.

Ich habe das aber ernsthaft schon mit einer englischen Limited überlegt. Wo mein privater Wohnsitz ist, ist egal. Und steuertechnisch liegt eine Ltd in England, nicht in Deutschland.

Sollte sich dann doch noch einer beschweren, biete ich immer ein eBook mehr auf Englisch als auf Deutsch an (da wird Gutenberg geplündert, kaufen muss es ja keiner), damit die Mehrheit meines Sortiments auf Englisch erschienen ist ... das zeigt nur, wie antiquiert die Überlegungen des Börsenverein sind.
Sie lassen sich im 21. Jahrhundert so derart einfach aushebeln, wenn man sich die Mühe machen will.

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Eventuell reicht ja eine Briefkastenfirma.
Ich find es klasse, wenn man damit das steife deutsche Steuersystem und die Buchpreisbindung mal unter Druck setzen kann.
Ich vermute jedoch, daß der Gesetzgeber erst reagiert, wenn die Verluste der in Deutschland ansässigen Verlage bei steigenden eBook-Verkäufen deutlich werden.

Wie üblich sind dann die Early-Adaptors mal wieder bestraft, obwohl sie das Geschäft erst für die Massen tauglich machen.

Also frag mal statt Couch einen freien Briefkasten in Spanien an.
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Naja, würde der Staat durch meine ausbleibenden Steuereinnahmen in Finanznöte geraten, würde ich mir ernsthaft Sorgen machen ...

Eigentlich habe ich als reiner eBook-Verlag deutliche Vorteile gegenüber alteingesessenen Verlagen.
Ich habe kein Stammhaus, kein großes Personal, kein Lager, etc. Alles Punkte, die einen an einen bestimmten Standort binden. Die Freiheit, meinen Firmensitz so einfach zu verlegen und mir als "Betriebsstandort" einen Server z.B. in Egland zu nehmen, hat ein Printverlag nicht.

Zudem verkauft ein druckender Verlag sein Sortiment vorrangig über deutsche Buchhandlungen. Auch wenn also der Verlag nicht an die Buchpreisbindung gebunden wären, wären es spätestens wieder die Buchhändler.
Den Preisvorteil habe ich daher auch nur, solange ich meine eBooks direkt verkaufe. Biete ich sie über libri.de an (oder, wie bei mir, über beam-ebooks.de), bin ich indirekt doch wieder der Buchpreisbindung unterworfen, denn dann biete ich sie ja wieder konkret über einen deutschen Händler an.

Deshalb warte ich ja auch darauf, dass Amazon.com (und nicht Amazon.de!) den Kindle-Shop für internationale Verlage öffnet.
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