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View Poll Results: Wnen will Barnes and Nobles go out of business?
Within 1 year 6 5.08%
1 to 5 years 18 15.25%
5 to 10 years 13 11.02%
10 to 20 years 11 9.32%
Never 70 59.32%
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:11 PM   #16
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markbot, I wish you would have posted this with your first post.

Puts an entirely different spin on how to read it.

You have a good point, but if a paper bookstore like B&N should go out of business, I think we're in worse trouble than we thing.

I see no lack of business in my local store.
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:11 PM   #17
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B&N has very high operating leverage and makes small margins. This means that if their business declines slightly, the losses will be magnified.
Your argument is based on the idea that the digital market will take away from the physical market. Which, all though a sound argument precludes them from entering into that market. B&N is in the market and thus lost revenue from physical sales should by your logic equate to gained revenue in electronic sales. With out looking at any numbers I am going to be comfortable saying they receive a higher return on electronic purchases then on physical purchases as the labor and deliver costs are significantly lower. So in the end if B&N lost a majority of its physical patronage to its electronic business then it would in fact over time, after the initial hit of store closings, become better off in a business sense.
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:16 PM   #18
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Not all the sales that B&N loses to digital books will be made up for by the Nook. Most of the lost sales will probably go to Amazon.com and other ebook makers.

They would have to close stores to make up the difference. When they close stores they will take large losses. They will probably try some different strategies to revitalize the core book stores....but this will probably fail and just prolong losses.

From their annual report, it looks like store closing costs are between 500K and 1M per store.

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Old 12-07-2009, 06:19 PM   #19
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Not all the sales that B&N loses to digital books will be made up for by the Nook. Most of the lost sales will probably go to Amazon.com and other ebook makers.
This is not true at all and based on equally false assumptions

We can not predict who will get the business. Amazon will lose customers to B&N, Sony will lose customers to Amazon, B&N will lost customers to Sony.

Right now we have no way of telling were the market share on electronic books will go. The nook is the first real NA competitor to the kindle. You may be right, and you may not be right. However even if they lose a share it does not equate to going out of business.
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:38 PM   #20
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Actually, B&N's stores can work to a significant advantage. If they leverage the nook's in-store potential correctly, they can make digital sales and retain their b&m traffic. That gives them the opportunity to make the more profitable sales of impulse items instead of just losing money on e-books.

I remember a discussion on MR a year or two ago about the potential advantages of a combined digital/b&m approach to e-books. It might have been in relation to Borders and Sony partnering up, but I don't remember exactly. Anyway, if they can keep store traffic up, they should be fine.
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Old 12-07-2009, 07:08 PM   #21
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Actually, B&N's stores can work to a significant advantage. If they leverage the nook's in-store potential correctly, they can make digital sales and retain their b&m traffic. That gives them the opportunity to make the more profitable sales of impulse items instead of just losing money on e-books.
That seems like a pretty big if to me, given the usually high cost of retail space. I think their timing may be good, vis a vis the upcoming shrinkage of the Walden Books arm of Borders, and the generally teetering condition of the entire Borders chain. It will be interesting to see if B&N can capitalize on this and/or if this opens some space back up for smaller independents.
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:20 PM   #22
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They are not going out of business anytime soon. Come on, this is not serious topic. While more and more books are being digitized, most people do not want to give up on owning a physical copy, they can hold, share, keep, display, collect or sell. Then there are those who do not shop on the internet or want something right now and not wait for the time it takes to ship. And while that might not make up the people on this group, it is a large segment of the population.
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:13 PM   #23
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I hope they go on forever.. as well as Amazon.. And Borders.. and all the others.
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:13 AM   #24
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There is a vital point all of you seemed to have missed...

As of right now it is VERY hard to walk in to a coffee shop attatched to Amazon and sit down with your Mac, listen to Indie Rock and and sip on a grande-grande-double-shot-caramel-snobby-upper-middle-american-latte all while looking down upon everybody else in the room.

So until Amazon can find a way to attach a horrible coffee shop to themselves somehow... BN has a great advantage.
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:20 AM   #25
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When will Amazon go out of business ?
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:20 AM   #26
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Old 12-08-2009, 07:54 AM   #28
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Being as my Nook is scheduled to ship Friday, I'm hoping B&N will be around until the return of the Great Prophet Zarquon.
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