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Old 10-01-2009, 05:11 PM   #1
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Old 10-01-2009, 05:18 PM   #2
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Uh... yeah. Oh no! It won't let me keep fraudulently purchased books, or books I asked to return! And they'll follow court orders! And it might delete something infected with a virus or bug! Oh noes!!

Yeah, woopdy-freaking-do.. Unless they do something beyond that, they're still behaving as good corporate citizens.

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Old 10-01-2009, 05:26 PM   #3
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I don't see the problem. That's a rational policy, good for both the company and the consumer.
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Old 10-01-2009, 05:32 PM   #4
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I don't see the problem. That's a rational policy, good for both the company and the consumer.
How is it good for a consumer?
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Old 10-01-2009, 05:36 PM   #5
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Yeah, I think it is kind of alarmist too. Before I bought my first reader, a K2, I read about this and was shocked & alarmed too. But then, I educated myself on the circumstances. It seems OK to me. Amazon was basically forced to do this.

I'm not aware of how it all played out in the end: Are those George Orwell books still unobtainable for Kindle? Or was the copyright issue worked out and folks can now re-purchase the books?

It is worth noting that Amazon did credit the users' accounts after removing the books. It isn't like someone's life was depending on those books, or that it was a widespread problem. I do understand that it is kind of big-brother-ish for them to be able to do this. Kind of 1984-ish, hehehe.

Still, we're glad you're happy with your decision.
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Old 10-01-2009, 05:38 PM   #6
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Because if they can't delete returns they might just decide not to allow returns - and allowing returns on eBooks is a VERY good thing as you get those mangled, terrible ones from time to time (or just made a bad decision.) Very good for the consumer.

Likewise, not having to eat fraud (fake credit cards, etc) costs keep costs down.

And following the rule of law? That's good for everyone.

And deleting files that have been infected with bad or malicious code? You do realize how zombie farms on PCs work, right? People are bloody idiots.. Amazon could put billboads up saying "Delete "Mr John Goes to Town" because it is a virus" and people would still keep doing it.

All of those are reasonable expectations and conditions. The whole 1984 debacle was just on the edge of that, these issues really aren't. Just a bunch of reactionary nonsense.
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Old 10-01-2009, 05:42 PM   #7
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How is it good for a consumer?
If Amazon wants to remove a book known to have a computer virus from my system, how can that be a bad thing?
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Old 10-01-2009, 05:55 PM   #8
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Because if they can't delete returns they might just decide not to allow returns - and allowing returns on eBooks is a VERY good thing as you get those mangled, terrible ones from time to time (or just made a bad decision.) Very good for the consumer.

Likewise, not having to eat fraud (fake credit cards, etc) costs keep costs down.

And following the rule of law? That's good for everyone.

And deleting files that have been infected with bad or malicious code? You do realize how zombie farms on PCs work, right? People are bloody idiots.. Amazon could put billboads up saying "Delete "Mr John Goes to Town" because it is a virus" and people would still keep doing it.

All of those are reasonable expectations and conditions. The whole 1984 debacle was just on the edge of that, these issues really aren't. Just a bunch of reactionary nonsense.
So if Microsoft, Apple or RedHat (or whatever OS you use) started rummaging around on your computer looking for 'bad stuff', that would be perfectly acceptable to you?

No, it's not 'nonsense' - privacy is being eroded enough already. The idea that because you buy something from a company, that company has the 'right' to access whatever you put on it is what is nonsense. The reason Amazon backed off on the Orwell thing was because a lot of people stood up and said 'Enough!'. The fact that there are even more people who think this is perfectly OK is rather telling. Or should I say, 'Orwellian'?
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Old 10-01-2009, 06:01 PM   #9
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I don't see the problem. That's a rational policy, good for both the company and the consumer.
Yeah, and none of the exceptions in that policy would have applied in the Orwell case, so I don't know why the article is bringing that up. The promises Amazon made in response to that scenario still apply. The exceptions in this policy are talking about other things.
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I have no problem with it whatsoever.

People who pirate stuff are pretty high up on my sh!t list, as are people who try to do fraudulent returns etc.

The rest of the outrage that isn't from that crowd is just conspiracy theory nonsense with people being irrationally afraid of "big brother."
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This thread is dumb.

I have issues with my K1, but this isn't one of them. Next?
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Uh... yeah. Oh no! It won't let me keep fraudulently purchased books, or books I asked to return! And they'll follow court orders! And it might delete something infected with a virus or bug! Oh noes!!

Yeah, woopdy-freaking-do.. Unless they do something beyond that, they're still behaving as good corporate citizens.
So how long will it be until they start deleting books I legally purchased from FictionWise because by stripping the DRM I somehow broke the stupidest law in the universe?
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Old 10-01-2009, 06:24 PM   #13
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So if Microsoft, Apple or RedHat (or whatever OS you use) started rummaging around on your computer looking for 'bad stuff', that would be perfectly acceptable to you?
Except Amazon didn't rummage around in anyone's device looking for stuff. They deleted the book from peoples online libraries and the next time the people synced with whispernet the book automatically deleted since it was no longer in the persons library.
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Old 10-01-2009, 06:42 PM   #14
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This thread is dumb.
Well, if you are perfectly okay to have companies rummaging around on your hardware and deciding what you can keep and what you can't, you deserve exactly what you get.

(And no, before anyone asks, I do not allow my OS or any other software to update automatically-- I think that there is exactly 1 person who gets to choose what goes on my computer or other electronic devices, and that is me.)
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