Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > Deals, Freebies, and Resources (No Self-Promotion)

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-17-2009, 12:49 PM   #1
carld
Wizard
carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,681
Karma: 3909099
Join Date: Dec 2007
Device: Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, Droid Razr Maxx HD
Nancy Drew still in copyright?

While googling around I found a site with several of the old Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys books for download, among many others. Books like "Nancy Drew: The Secret of the Old Clock" which was the first one published in 1930. The site claims that all the titles are in public domain, but I think these books are a little too new (30s and 40s) to have hit PD just yet.

It's possible the copyrights were never renewed and the books have indeed moved into public domain, but I was wondering if anyone knew for sure?
carld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2009, 12:53 PM   #2
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 65,436
Karma: 43770933
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Voyage, iPad Mini, iPhone 4, MS Surface Pro, N7
No. All the Nancy Drew" books are still in copyright.
HarryT is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2009, 12:57 PM   #3
carld
Wizard
carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,681
Karma: 3909099
Join Date: Dec 2007
Device: Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, Droid Razr Maxx HD
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarryT View Post
No. All the Nancy Drew" books are still in copyright.
So I assumed, but wasn't sure.

Carl
carld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2009, 03:10 PM   #4
BookLoverToo
Enthusiast
BookLoverToo doesn't litterBookLoverToo doesn't litter
 
Posts: 40
Karma: 104
Join Date: Mar 2009
Device: Sony PRS-505
Fictionwise has the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys series in ereader, mobi and Microsoft reader formats if you want a legitimate ebook source.
BookLoverToo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2009, 05:00 PM   #5
Hellmark
Wizard
Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Hellmark's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,521
Karma: 3638167
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Maryland Heights, Missouri, USA
Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight
1927 I believe is the magic number for it to be public domain in the US.

Is the site based in the US? Not all countries have the same laws on public domain, so Australia and a few others have stuff in public domain that aren't in the US.
Hellmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2009, 06:48 PM   #6
carld
Wizard
carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,681
Karma: 3909099
Join Date: Dec 2007
Device: Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, Droid Razr Maxx HD
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellmark View Post
1927 I believe is the magic number for it to be public domain in the US.

Is the site based in the US? Not all countries have the same laws on public domain, so Australia and a few others have stuff in public domain that aren't in the US.
The early books of the Nancy Drew series just miss that date. They'd be in PD if it weren't for the Sonny Bono Public Domain Theft Act, or whatever it was called.

According to WHOIS the site is registered in California. I'm guessing they just don't realize the books aren't PD, as the site is otherwise full of non-copyright titles. Also, checking Project Gutenberg turns up no Nancy Drew or Hardy Boys. I'm guessing if any had indeed fallen into the public domain they'd be found there.

Last edited by carld; 07-17-2009 at 09:55 PM.
carld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2009, 07:34 PM   #7
Hellmark
Wizard
Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Hellmark's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,521
Karma: 3638167
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Maryland Heights, Missouri, USA
Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight
Is the host/domain registrar in Cali, or the people who run the site? Often people use US companies to get their pages through, but they're for different regions.
Hellmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2009, 09:55 PM   #8
carld
Wizard
carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,681
Karma: 3909099
Join Date: Dec 2007
Device: Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, Droid Razr Maxx HD
Quote:
Originally Posted by BookLoverToo View Post
Fictionwise has the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys series in ereader, mobi and Microsoft reader formats if you want a legitimate ebook source.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
carld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2009, 09:58 PM   #9
carld
Wizard
carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,681
Karma: 3909099
Join Date: Dec 2007
Device: Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, Droid Razr Maxx HD
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellmark View Post
Is the host/domain registrar in Cali, or the people who run the site? Often people use US companies to get their pages through, but they're for different regions.
Registrant OrganizationreamHost Web Hosting
Registrant State/Province:CA
Registrant Country:US

I'm assuming that means the servers are physically in the US and US copyright applies.

Carl
carld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2009, 02:05 AM   #10
Hellmark
Wizard
Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hellmark ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Hellmark's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,521
Karma: 3638167
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Maryland Heights, Missouri, USA
Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight
That's just the Domain Registrar (but typically, they are only used by people who they host for). Still, since it is likely the host as well, it could very well be argued that US copyright law would apply, regardless of where the site is intended for, even if it is meant for a country where they are public domain.
Hellmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2009, 05:34 AM   #11
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 65,436
Karma: 43770933
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Voyage, iPad Mini, iPhone 4, MS Surface Pro, N7
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellmark View Post
1927 I believe is the magic number for it to be public domain in the US.
No, it's 1923.
HarryT is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2009, 05:38 AM   #12
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 65,436
Karma: 43770933
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Voyage, iPad Mini, iPhone 4, MS Surface Pro, N7
Quote:
Originally Posted by carld View Post
Registrant OrganizationreamHost Web Hosting
Registrant State/Province:CA
Registrant Country:US

I'm assuming that means the servers are physically in the US and US copyright applies.

Carl
You can see where the server physically is by doing a "tracert" to it. If the server is physically located in the US, then US copyright law is what applies, and any "Nancy Drew" or "Hardy Boys" books on it are not there legally.

Last edited by HarryT; 07-18-2009 at 05:46 AM.
HarryT is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2009, 07:29 AM   #13
BookCat
C L J
BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
BookCat's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,177
Karma: 3802487
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Birmingham UK
Device: Sony e-reader 505, Kindle Paperwhite 2
If you can bear reading pbooks, Nancy Drew is usually easy to find at jumble sales, car boot (garage) sales etc for very little money.
BookCat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 12:52 AM   #14
zipzip
Member
zipzip began at the beginning.
 
Posts: 18
Karma: 10
Join Date: Mar 2009
Device: Kindle 2.0
I've been wondering about this too, and I don't think it's as simple as it appears.

Here's the thing: Starting in 1959, the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys books were rewritten. Not just edited, actually rewritten, by different ghost writers than the originals. The U.S. Copyright Office's website shows no earlier date than 1959 for the first in the Nancy Drew series, "The Secret of the Old Clock," or the first Hardy Boys book, "The Tower Treasure." However, these are new works by a different author, retaining only the plot and characters of the 1930 edition. Both say, "New Matter: revision."

So the question is, are these pre-1959 versions of the books out of copyright?
zipzip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 01:58 AM   #15
BookCat
C L J
BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.BookCat ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
BookCat's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,177
Karma: 3802487
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Birmingham UK
Device: Sony e-reader 505, Kindle Paperwhite 2
Wikipedia have an extensive article about the ghostwriting. Apparently, they all were from the beginning. Later, as zip says, they were rewritten in accordance with changing culture. Not sure if the earlier versions even exist.

Maybe someone knows?
(How would Nancy solve this?)
BookCat is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Action Hutcheson, John C: The Wreck of the Nancy Bell. V1. 26 July 2009 crutledge BBeB/LRF Books 0 07-26-2009 08:10 AM
Action Hutcheson, John C: The Wreck of the Nancy Bell. V1. 26 July 2009 crutledge IMP Books 0 07-26-2009 08:06 AM
Nancy Kress -- Brain Rose -- ebook Edition? poohbear_nc Reading Recommendations 8 07-20-2009 12:56 PM
Nancy Pelosi's cat video on Youtube Nate the great Lounge 6 01-15-2009 10:38 AM
In Copyright? - Copyright Renewal Database launched Alexander Turcic News 26 07-09-2008 10:36 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:38 PM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.