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Old 07-08-2009, 11:50 AM   #16
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On first view, they look very male-focused, like they're not expecting female readers. (I suppose I should expect that; I've probably been spoiled by fanfic.)
That surprises me; I thought that the erotica market was predominantly a female one. I know that "Mills and Boon", the leading British publisher of such things (I think they go under the name of "Harlequin" in the US) has an almost exclusively female readership.
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That surprises me; I thought that the erotica market was predominantly a female one. I know that "Mills and Boon", the leading British publisher of such things (I think they go under the name of "Harlequin" in the US) has an almost exclusively female readership.
Actually you are correct. From what I can tell, the majority of our readers are female. Especially popular are stories in our Non-Human category!

We are trying to keep the site as gender neutral as possible. We do make some assumptions based on category when trying to target ads. The problem we've been having so far is finding decent ads that appeal to women. Finding ads for lesbians has been extremely difficult!
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On first view, they look very male-focused, like they're not expecting female readers. (I suppose I should expect that; I've probably been spoiled by fanfic.)

Metadata's off. When I load them into Calibre, they all have the same title ("C"), but at least have different authors so I can tell them apart somehow. Check author against title, and change metadata.

Ack. No, Calibre says the Mobi versions are DRM'd. They're probably not, but I'm not up to figuring out what the problem is. Fetch PDFs instead. PDFs are locked, which means limited edit/convert abilities. They're also letter-sized pages.

If I decide I like this publisher's stories (which is not looking likely, but that's my taste in erotica, not their problem), I'll copy & paste the stories from the HTML on the website; the ebook versions are too much hassle to deal with.
I'm sorry you're experiencing difficulties with our files. The PDFs were intended for PC users who complained they didn't like the dark background of our site. They are locked in order to protect our authors' work. They should be set with permissions that allow printing as well as content copying for accessibility. Really they weren't intended for mobile devices.

The Mobipocket files were generated from the PDFs so I'm surprised that the title metadata was wrong. It seemed to work for me on my PC based Mobipocket reader. They too were encrypted to protect the authors' work, but they weren't encrypted with password, nor was any DRM added.

I will offer ePub files within the next few weeks for all our stories. I'll let everyone know when that's available.
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Epub would be great, but apart from that, excellent site, clean, no intrusive adverts, easily navigable and does exactly what it says. I also like the idea of you sharing your ad revenue with authors, that's forward thinking.

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Thank you very much Moejoe!

And thanks to everyone else for checking the site out and providing me with your valuable feedback.

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That surprises me; I thought that the erotica market was predominantly a female one. I know that "Mills and Boon", the leading British publisher of such things (I think they go under the name of "Harlequin" in the US) has an almost exclusively female readership.
I don't think I would consider Harlequin erotica. It's more chick lit/romance. They've started caring a line of books under the erotica tag. I haven't actually read any of them so can't tell you if they are. Erotica tends to be less romance driven and doesn't often include the "happily ever after" endings or relationship conflicts of what is widely considered Romance. Of course, that's just my opinion. I generally like my romance novels to have a stronger storyline than can be found in the erotica that I've read (not that I've read that much, really).

Oh, and Dr. D., there is absolutely nothing wrong with looking. . .it's perfectly normal human behaviour. . . every body does it . . . etc., etc., etc.
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Old 07-08-2009, 12:42 PM   #21
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I'm sorry you're experiencing difficulties with our files. The PDFs were intended for PC users who complained they didn't like the dark background of our site. They are locked in order to protect our authors' work.
What, exactly, are they protecting? They don't prevent printing, including printing to PDF--at which point, any OCR program will be able to read the text & extract it. They'll load into FineReader without hesitation.

They prevent copying & pasting excerpts by most readers, who aren't PDF-savvy, so people can't quote an excerpt to convince their friends to check out the website. They prevent conversion into Word, HTML, ePub, FB2, and RB formats, so they cut out readers who don't read letter-sized pages on a computer screen. (Or mobile device, but right now, very few mobile devices deal well with letter-sized PFS.)

Setting aside the anti-DRM rant (which you can find in dozens of threads here at Mobileread, explored from several angles), I'm honestly curious. What's being protected by these locks? What bad results do you think would happen if you didn't have them?

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They should be set with permissions that allow printing as well as content copying for accessibility. Really they weren't intended for mobile devices.
They should at least have tags added for accessibility. There's a lot of mobile devices that read PDFs, but have problems with even very basic security; it can change how they access the data.

Removal of basic PDF security is a matter of having a $10 program (or rather, one of several available); anyone who wants to evade PDF security can do so. I use the program at work all the time; we do electronic discovery work and often have subpoena'd copies of files from unknown hard drives, and have to remove security on the files to convert them into the database.

(That's part of the anti-DRM rant. Put that in the subcategory of "it doesn't work.")

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The Mobipocket files were generated from the PDFs so I'm surprised that the title metadata was wrong. It seemed to work for me on my PC based Mobipocket reader. They too were encrypted to protect the authors' work, but they weren't encrypted with password, nor was any DRM added.
The encryption is probably what's scrambling the metadata; Calibre might not be able to read through (and can't convert) the encrypted files.

I'm not sure what the point of encrypting files made from copy-and-pastable text on a website is. But that's my grumble; you don't need to pay attention to it. It would be nice, though, if you offered the downloadable versions in formats that worked on more mobile devices.
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Elfwreck, I thank you for your honest and informative rant.

As I'm sure it is painfully obvious, I am a relative newb when it comes to e-book formats. Readers suggested that we provide mobile options (in addition to our iPhone microsite) and I set out to try to deliver.

I will admit that my decision to lock the PDFs and "Mobies" was based more on emotion than logic. For some reason it just "feels" like we would lose the ability to protect our authors from having their work altered and republished if we allowed unprotected downloads. Of course, logically I realize that we have no ability to prevent this from happening anyways. Anything posted on the web can easily be scraped and republished. I honestly was not aware that the basic encryption/locking put on these files affected so many readers in such a negative way.

You have convinced me to go forward sans locks. I can easily remove the locks from all our PDFs, and not encrypt any Mobies going forward, but it will take me forever to re-do all the existing Mobies as I had to create them manually one-by-one (and we have 1000s). You wouldn't know of an application that can convert a batch of PDFs to a batch of Mobies would you? Wishful thinking.

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You don't batch convert the PDFs to Mobis; you batch convert whatever you made the PDFs *from* into mobis. HTML will make mobi files better than PDFs will.

That's about the end of my Mobi knowledge, however; when I read on PDAs, I preferred eReader and never did figure out the Mobi software. But I know we've got people here who are experts--head over to the Workshop forum, and ask about batch converting.

And thanks! We're always happy when publishers notice that DRM causes more hassles than it's worth.

The "what does it protect" question is not rhetorical; sometimes there are real concerns. But a lot of those concerns vanish when the files themselves are free (obviously, you're not trying to keep them away from unauthorized readers; you'd just prefer they got them from the site so you knew how popular they are).
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On first view, they look very male-focused, like they're not expecting female readers. (I suppose I should expect that; I've probably been spoiled by fanfic.)
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Perhaps more just not female-focused? It doesn't look much like a typical man-oriented porn site either, but I'm not put off by it (I'm a woman btw.), actually I think it reflects quite well what is offered.

While the majority of the fanfic (slash) that I've read are intended for mature readers, it's very rarely outright erotica/porn - YMMV obviously - but I wouldn't expect this site to be aimed at exactly the same audience.

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That surprises me; I thought that the erotica market was predominantly a female one. I know that "Mills and Boon", the leading British publisher of such things (I think they go under the name of "Harlequin" in the US) has an almost exclusively female readership.
I my opinion there's still some distance between romance and erotica/porn. Try to read a couple of stories back to back (pun not necessarily intended) and you might see a qualitative difference. I at least, find there is one.


Barnsy; It's an interesting site, and from you've said about what you try to do, it reflects that. I do sympathise with you about the lesbian adverts - please keep trying One thing I was missing, was an "about us" page. Who are you, what do you want to do with the site - and do the stories go through an editing process?
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Perhaps more just not female-focused? It doesn't look much like a typical man-oriented porn site either, but I'm not put off by it (I'm a woman btw.), actually I think it reflects quite well what is offered.
After reading one of the stories, I am willing to revise my opinion. (Haven't done so yet; will need to wait for time after work. Should not be reading smut in my breaks; I have enough problems trying to avoid questions about "what are you reading on that?" when what I'm reading is "new Kirk, Spock prime, ponn farr, take 37." At least for that one I can dodge with "a Star Trek story.") The headers/teasers are what I expect from mainstream, male-oriented erotica/porn sites; the story fit my conceptions of more-or-less gender-neutral appeal erotica. Porn. Whatever.

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While the majority of the fanfic (slash) that I've read are intended for mature readers, it's very rarely outright erotica/porn - YMMV obviously - but I wouldn't expect this site to be aimed at exactly the same audience.
No, me neither. The slash I read tends towards the, erm, hardcore extreme; while I don't turn away from romance or gen (anymore), I've read plenty of PWP and extreme kink stories. It's interesting seeing the same genre without the fannish spin.
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After reading one of the stories, I am willing to revise my opinion. (Haven't done so yet; will need to wait for time after work. Should not be reading smut in my breaks; I have enough problems trying to avoid questions about "what are you reading on that?" when what I'm reading is "new Kirk, Spock prime, ponn farr, take 37." At least for that one I can dodge with "a Star Trek story.")
I know Or it's just "fan fiction" (not Starsky/Hutch, post-SR, first-time, PG-17, H/C )

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No, me neither. The slash I read tends towards the, erm, hardcore extreme; while I don't turn away from romance or gen (anymore), I've read plenty of PWP and extreme kink stories. It's interesting seeing the same genre without the fannish spin.
Perhaps it also depends on the fandoms. I've primarily been reading LOTR and lately almost only Starsky and Hutch. I still prefer my fanfics to be about characters and a story, actually I've been migrating to gen lately, I really am more into the characters after all. And if I want the other stuff, I rather prefer real erotica/porn.
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Barnsy; It's an interesting site, and from you've said about what you try to do, it reflects that. I do sympathise with you about the lesbian adverts - please keep trying One thing I was missing, was an "about us" page. Who are you, what do you want to do with the site - and do the stories go through an editing process?
Thank you Ea.

We do have an "About" and a "FAQ" page. Links are at the bottom of the page. But you are right, we don't have much about "us". The site is run by my wife and I and we do wish to remain somewhat anonymous. Each and every story does go through an editing process. Each story must be read to ensure there is no content that violates our submission policies. While approving the stories my wife (who is an English teacher) will make small spelling/grammatical fixes. If the submission is found to have too many mistakes it will be rejected.
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I like that bit about fixing grammatical mistakes It's also easy to navigate the site to find stories.

I only checked the header for links to 'about' The footer is a less common, but far from un-heard of place to put that kind of information. On my wn, with having anyone obvious (like you) to ask, I probably would have found it myself

BTW, the current about and FAQ more than answers any questions I have, now that I've seen it.
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You have convinced me to go forward sans locks. I can easily remove the locks from all our PDFs, and not encrypt any Mobies going forward, but it will take me forever to re-do all the existing Mobies as I had to create them manually one-by-one (and we have 1000s). You wouldn't know of an application that can convert a batch of PDFs to a batch of Mobies would you?
You do not have to do it all by hand.
Just download Calibre software.
Do not use pdf files as a basis for conversion. Use whatever file you used to create pdf file. That would most probably be plain text file or html file. You must have files in the database somewhere.
I will have a look at the files once my registration [into a strictly throwaway mailbox] email comes through.

Just come here and ask more questions.
There are many ways of how to convert multiple files with minimum of manual work.

You can also send private messages to members of this forum. Just click on a name that is next to the post and select "send private message"

Also have a look at our Wiki area - link at the top of this page. You will find many tips, tricks, references to formats, software ...


I too am compeled to put in disclaimer, like most of people discussing in this thread:
I am not *that* keen on this type of erotica, I just want to help an honest effort to promote and expand e-books
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I too am compeled to put in disclaimer, like most of people discussing in this thread:
I am not *that* keen on this type of erotica, I just want to help an honest effort to promote and expand e-books
You don't think people got over the snickering on page one of this thread?
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