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Old 05-30-2009, 09:39 AM   #1
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Gallica... euh : se f... de notre g... ?

Je résume les épisodes précédents
J'ai repris le scan (très défectueux) de Gallica "les Dieux ont soif" (Anatole France) et je l'ai mis au carré : corrections, mise en page, upload sur FeedBooks...
Le scan original est annoncé avec Un score OCR de 98%... petit calcul :
une page A4 a 2000 signes => 2% d'erreur = 20 pour mille et 40 pour deux mille (vous suivez là derrière?).
Qaurante caractères reconnus erronés sur une page A4 (plus les faux négatifs--erreurs qui n'en sont pas-- et les faux positifs --erreurs non détectées).
Mon texte final, corrigé est nickel : passé au correcteur orthographique 3 fois, etc.

Ni une ni deux je me dis "offrons la bête à Gallica, qui sera contente!" et donc j'écris :!
Pour : <gallica2@bnf.fr>
Objet : Proposition de texte corrigé : "les Dieux ont soif"
J'ai corrigé le contenu du roman d'Anatole France "les Dieux ont soif"; je
me demandais s'il est possible de vous le retransmettre pour le mettre à
disposition, sachant qu'il est de bien meilleure qualité que celui qui est
disponible sur Gallica?
Bien à vous
Yves G.

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deAssistance.Gallica@bnf.frdate26 mai 2009 17:13objetRéf. : Proposition de texte corrigé : "les Dieux ont soif"




Bonjour
J'ai pris connaissance avec intérêt de votre proposition, qui a déjà été étudié de notre côté. Tout alléchante qu'elle soit, cette idée se heurte chez nous à un obstacle :
La nécessité technique de faire rentrer les documents numérisés dans notre chaîne de migration : comme il y a d'ailleurs un souci de conservation des documents numériques sur une longue durée, Nous sommes particulièrement vigilants sur la rédaction des métadonnées, dont les spécifications dépassent certainement dans la plupart des cas les compétances des particuliers.
Vous remerciant vivement de l'attention que vous portez à Gallica

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Autrement dit : vous savez pas faire l'étiquette, vous allez pas nous proposer de remplacer notre piquette par du bon vin...

Bon, ya du boulot...

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Old 05-30-2009, 09:46 AM   #2
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arg !!!! c'est grave. à la limite, qu'ils acceptent, quitte à rajouter les méta-données (éventuellement incomplètes...) eux-mêmes !!! franchement, je suis d'accord avec toi, c'est un peu du n'importe quoi là, on dirait qu'ils font presque exprès de ne pas améliorer leur offre...

tu devrais répondre en précisant que tu leur fournis le texte, mais qu'ils sont libre ensuite de rajouter les méta-données et le classer à leur gré... ne serait-ce que pour voir ce qu'ils répondent !
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moi, c'est pas vrai, j'ai rien dit d'abord

"proposition étudié(e)" "compétance" ...bien, bien...

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Old 05-30-2009, 10:49 AM   #4
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Voilà à quoi ressemble une "notice complète" avec les méta-données suivantes:

Titre : Oeuvres complètes de Chateaubriand. 7, De Buonaparte et des Bourbons / [Chateaubriand]

Auteur : Chateaubriand, François-René de (1768-1848)Ne voir que les résultats de cet auteur

Éditeur : Acamédia (Paris)

Date d'édition : 1861

Type : monographie imprimée

Langue : Français

Format : text/html

Droits : domaine public

Identifiant : http://gallica2.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k1013749

Source : Bibliothèque nationale de France

Relation : http://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/c...0z/description

Provenance : Bibliothèque nationale de France

Mode texte disponible

Thématique : Littérature francophone
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:51 AM   #5
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ha oui, ben je comprends mieux qu'ils refusent. ça recèle des trésors d'érudition et de complexité, cette notice, sûrement bien hors de la portée de nous autres, pôv' mortels... puis à rajouter / compléter par la bnf.... non non, il vaut mieux pas y penser, ça doit être plus simple de se retaper tout le boulot de correction du texte eux-mêmes.
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:34 AM   #6
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Je note que le nom du signataire et je ricane (c'est mal, je sais) : le traître!
(je n'ai pas souligné les fautes d'orthographe; charité quand tu nous tiens...)

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Old 05-30-2009, 12:13 PM   #7
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Je viens de regarder à l'instant chez Gallica la version texte de "Les Dieux ont soif" . Elle me parait d'excellente qualité alors qu'ils affichent toujours un taux de reconnaissance "officiel" de 98%. Le taux réel me parait nettement supérieur à première vue et, en tout cas, immédiatement lisible.

Une comparaison avec le premier texte frais émoulu de l'OCR que tu as "nettoyé" pour ton édition FeedBooks serait sans doute intéressante. N'y a t-il pas eu une mise à jour discrète? Qu'en penses-tu?

Bizarre...

PS: tu devrais supprimer les noms propres. On parle de Gallica.

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Old 05-31-2009, 01:15 PM   #8
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Je viens de regarder à l'instant chez Gallica la version texte de "Les Dieux ont soif" . Elle me parait d'excellente qualité alors qu'ils affichent toujours un taux de reconnaissance "officiel" de 98%. Le taux réel me parait nettement supérieur à première vue et, en tout cas, immédiatement lisible.

Une comparaison avec le premier texte frais émoulu de l'OCR que tu as "nettoyé" pour ton édition FeedBooks serait sans doute intéressante. N'y a t-il pas eu une mise à jour discrète? Qu'en penses-tu?
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PS: tu devrais supprimer les noms propres. On parle de Gallica.
Yes , autant pour moi, je corrige.
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:06 AM   #9
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Est-ce que ça ne pourrait pas aussi plus simplement être du au manque de temps pour vérifier que par exemple, tu n'as pas, petit garnement que tu es !, ajouté une phrase bidon au livre ?
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Est-ce que ça ne pourrait pas aussi plus simplement être du au manque de temps pour vérifier que par exemple, tu n'as pas, petit garnement que tu es !, ajouté une phrase bidon au livre ?
Bonne hypothèse, positive, va savoir! Sauf que les logiciels de comparaison (chasse au plagiat) existent bel et bien... Mais bon j'achète...
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C'est marrant, je lisais justement l'autre jour un article de language log sur la qualité des métadonnées de Google - exécrable apparemment !
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