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Old 04-20-2009, 09:50 AM   #1
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Where is the stripping of DRM legal?

Background: When possible I prefer to buy titles in a format from which I can remove the DRM as I find the formatting very poor on a PRS-505. I then reformat and publish in LRF to retain full justification using the excellent Caibre.

I was wondering whether such a practice is legal in the UK, Germany and New Zealand (ie I am from the UK, posted in Germany and emigrating to NZ)?

I would not bother with the whole process if the 505 could display justified text in ePub files.

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Old 04-20-2009, 10:44 AM   #2
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Background: When possible I prefer to buy titles in a format from which I can remove the DRM as I find the formatting very poor on a PRS-505. I then reformat and publish in LRF to retain full justification using the excellent Caibre.

I was wondering whether such a practice is legal in the UK, Germany and New Zealand (ie I am from the UK, posted in Germany and emigrating to NZ)?

I would not bother with the whole process if the 505 could display justified text.
Stripping DRM is not legal in the UK. I do not know about NZ.

As for the 505 and justified text, BBeB (LRF/LRX) does display with justified text. It is currently ePub that does not. We need Sony & Adobe to update ADE to support justified text.
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Old 04-20-2009, 11:19 AM   #3
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Stripping DRM is not legal in the UK.
But it's not a "crime", but merely a civil offence. The police wouldn't be interested in it - the copyright holder would have to personally sue you in a civil court, and, if you did it for personal use, it's difficult to see why they would wish to or what they would gain from doing so.
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Old 04-20-2009, 11:32 AM   #4
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and, if you did it for personal use, it's difficult to see why they would wish to or what they would gain from doing so.
or how they would find out (being for personal use they would have no way of tracing you since they would never know about the files existence in the first place!)

I strip the DRM from everything I can, mainly so that I can move it between devices (as I am sure that I will be getting a new device at some point in the future!) and so that I can fix the formatting (only in a few cases have I really needed to - epub being the main one since some of the books I have had have a line which seems to get pushed off the page so I need to change the font size to see it!)

I do not share any of these books although I would possibly consider letting a friend/family have a copy if they so desired (not that any of my friends like gadgets enough to have a book reader!)
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Old 04-20-2009, 11:34 AM   #5
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Stripping DRM (for personal use only) may or may not be a crime (or a civil offense) in the US -- no one really knows. (And there you thought that certainty under the law was an important legal principle... HAH!)

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Old 04-20-2009, 11:41 AM   #6
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The root of the thing is this: If you do it, don't tell the world via the WWW.

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Old 04-20-2009, 12:59 PM   #7
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Stripping DRM (for personal use only) may or may not be a crime (or a civil offense) in the US -- no one really knows. (And there you thought that certainty under the law was an important legal principle... HAH!)

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That's true (or not), but I'm pretty sure that the contents of my eReader are protected under the Fifth Amendment. Unless I sell said DRM stripped copyrighted works for profit nobody’s going to bust me over it!
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Old 04-20-2009, 01:37 PM   #8
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That's true (or not), but I'm pretty sure that the contents of my eReader are protected under the Fifth Amendment. Unless I sell said DRM stripped copyrighted works for profit nobody’s going to bust me over it!
Only if it's not a Kindle on Whispernet.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:02 PM   #9
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Only if it's not a Kindle on Whispernet.
I heard Amazon is training a special-ops, rapid-response team, to be dispatched anywhere around the globe, whenever files with stripped DRM are detected via Wispernet. Apparently, they are all secretly cloned from Jeff Bezos, and have his super-human abilities.

And of course, it's common knowledge, that for the past three years, Amazon has been testing nuclear missiles in the woods outside Seattle.

So, just be careful....
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... must not glibly respond in a serious thread that the only legal place is floating on a small raft in international waters ....
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I'd think it would depend on who's flag said raft was registered under.
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That's true (or not), but I'm pretty sure that the contents of my eReader are protected under the Fifth Amendment. Unless I sell said DRM stripped copyrighted works for profit nobody’s going to bust me over it!
I thought I read something...somewhere...that said border police are confiscating these to look for deDRM'd content.

Was that hyperbole?
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I thought I read something...somewhere...that said border police are confiscating these to look for deDRM'd content.

Was that hyperbole?
No. Merely a completely fictitious rumour.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:18 AM   #14
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That's true (or not), but I'm pretty sure that the contents of my eReader are protected under the Fifth Amendment. Unless I sell said DRM stripped copyrighted works for profit nobody’s going to bust me over it!
If you want to be picky, a search warrant could be obtained for your eReader with probably cause. But, if it's password protected you may be safe - from what I understand you can't be forced to enter your password. The Fifth Amendment protection from self-incrimination apply in that case.
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