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Old 04-05-2009, 06:12 AM   #16
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I remember some years ago either reading a short story, or seeing a short film - I forget which it was - about the "ethics" of transporter technology, the whole point of which was that it inevitably involves the "death" of the person being "transported", and the ethical implications of that.
You may be thinking of an episode of Star Trek:Enterprise which had the inventor of the transporter and him and Archer discussed this topic and how it was debated and protested during the initial developement of the technology.

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Old 04-05-2009, 06:18 AM   #17
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You may be thinking of an episode of Star Trek:Enterprise which had the inventor of the transporter and him and Archer discussed this topic and how it was debated and protested during the initial developement of the technology.

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No, it can't be that; I gave up watching "Enterprise" after the initial episode, I was so annoyed by it. Nice thought, though!
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I like the conundrum associated with time travel; what if you went back in time, found your father and killed him?

I expect you'd spend the rest of eternity wandering mindlessly around the MobileRead Forums, no wait...
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Old 04-05-2009, 08:17 AM   #19
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I like the conundrum associated with time travel; what if you went back in time, found your father and killed him?
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Hmm, someone's got daddy-issues, huh?

In relation to Time Travel and its possibilities/explanations/uses, the following page ("SF Chronophysics") elaborates somewhat entertainingly on its use in SF:

http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/chrono.html

Although I think it might be an interesting read for anyone who's enjoyed the SF tropes of time travel, I suspect it might be of specific interest to BOb and his listing of it as an impossibility (the author notes that he is working on the premise that Time Travel is "any process involving chains of cause-and-effect which are discontinuous and/or retrograde. Nearly-as-fast-as-light starships or the like do not in my book count as "travelling into the future"")

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I would like a single outpatient injection of nanobots that would repair my eyes permanently, also fix everything nice and young and thin and keep it that way. Immortality?
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:12 AM   #21
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I remember some years ago either reading a short story, or seeing a short film - I forget which it was - about the "ethics" of transporter technology, the whole point of which was that it inevitably involves the "death" of the person being "transported", and the ethical implications of that.
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For some reason (and it may be a short story I read once), this is what came to my mind too when I first saw it on the list. I don't want to assume that's the basis of BOb's "impossible", but if it is, then it would clarify that particular parameter of "impossible" in my mind.

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There was a sequence of stories that eventually became a novel (I think) on this topic. ISTR that the inventors of the transporter picked up and pushed (in the advertising sense) a 'religion' called "reformed Sufi-ism," because adherents of said religion were OK with the transporter. One of the stories involved the founder of said religion supposedly travelling by transporter to a distant star -- except that
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he actually took a STL starship, because he wasn't willing to be transported.


Can't remember the author or any titles, though.

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Old 04-05-2009, 11:18 AM   #23
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Are you talking about an ethical "problem"?
Sort of yes. But more the "I don't want to die to visit grandma" problem.

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Old 04-05-2009, 11:19 AM   #24
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If you get a chance, Bob, read Jim Al-Khalili's book "Black Holes, Wormholes and Time Machines". It's a wonderful exploration of the possibilies for time travel inherent in Black Holes, written in a very readable style by one of the experts in the field of Black Holes.
Gee... just what I need... more books on my to-read list. Thanks H, I'll look into it.

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Old 04-05-2009, 11:25 AM   #25
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In relation to Time Travel and its possibilities/explanations/uses, the following page ("SF Chronophysics") elaborates somewhat entertainingly on its use in SF:
I spawned a thread on Time Travel here. http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44249 Please join in all.

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Old 04-05-2009, 11:26 AM   #26
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Pilotbob - There is a big difference between extremely difficult and unlikely and Impossible. Time travel is extremely difficult and unlikely, not Impossible.

Re: teleportation. Just because it may kill the person using it doesn't mean that if it could be built, it wouldn't be used for non-living cargo. A lump of iron wouldn't care about living or dead.
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Oh... good one. I do think nanobots doing medical repairs is highly likely. I know there are several companies working on them.

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Pilotbob - There is a big difference between extremely difficult and unlikely and Impossible. Time travel is extremely difficult and unlikely, not Impossible.

Re: teleportation. Just because it may kill the person using it doesn't mean that if it could be built, it wouldn't be used for non-living cargo. A lump of iron wouldn't care about living or dead.
True, but this would be closer to a replicator type thing. Why destroy the original in this case. Also, you aren't really "moving" it right. You still need to raw material at the destination.

To me, it will be IMPOSSIBLE to move something from the origin to the destination if the destination didn't have the correct constituent parts.

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Yes, but that's a slightly different case. I used iron just as a common example, I could have been rare drugs or chemicals or any other non-living whatnot.
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Yes, but that's a slightly different case. I used iron just as a common example, I could have been rare drugs or chemicals or any other non-living whatnot.
I still personally think it is impossible. But, I would be happy to be proved wrong.

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