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Old 05-12-2009, 05:19 PM   #211
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An element of Hadopi which hasn’t received much or enough attention as yet, is a section which specifies steps that can be taken by computer users to ensure that they will not be found liable under the new regime. The following is a rough translation of the relevant sections, taken from the text of the law in its current state, as found here. Bear with me, it is torturous, some explanatory notes are added in bold

Mmmh. So what the law intends is to set up a meeting between security software vendors, antipiracy organizations and ISPs to decide what software you need to install on your machine, so that they can be sure that you behave yourself. If you don’t fancy installing their device, then you’ll just have to swallow any liability consequent to someone else using your machine or accessing your connection.
If you agree to install a "security software program" of their approval on your PC that monitors your every move on said PC/connection, you are exempt from prosecution. (except, likely, if you misbehave.) Aside from that fact that "Free" "security" software will likely not be approved of by the "council" (gee, corporatism?), this does smack of a very, very strange requirement to vote through.
Talk about bold.
That's completely insane!

EDIT: Oh and it looks like us Brits are not too far behind http://torrentfreak.com/uk-entertain...irates-090512/

That's it, I've had just about as much as I can take from these corporate-shills and protectionist businesses. No more, not one red cent will they get from me. No more DVD's, CD's, MP3's even if they don't have DRM and they're priced at 1penny a piece. Same goes for books and the publishers that peddle them. They can suck it, the whole greedy corporate lot of them.

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Old 05-12-2009, 05:22 PM   #212
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That's completely insane!
Quite. Sorry, I edited my post a bit to include more of the fun stuff.
Anyway, how "they" figure this will hold up in a court of law boggles the mind (both if they believe so wrongly, and moreso if it does.)
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Old 05-12-2009, 05:44 PM   #214
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That's completely insane!

EDIT: Oh and it looks like us Brits are not too far behind http://torrentfreak.com/uk-entertain...irates-090512/

That's it, I've had just about as much as I can take from these corporate-shills and protectionist businesses. No more, not one red cent will they get from me. No more DVD's, CD's, MP3's even if they don't have DRM and they're priced at 1penny a piece. Same goes for books and the publishers that peddle them. They can suck it, the whole greedy corporate lot of them.
ISPA doesnt seem too keen on that sort of legislation here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8046028.stm

Not that their view will amount to much if the govt decide to do it

(And I'm terribly sorry to go off topic in a lighthearted way in a serious and important thread, but am I the only one who keeps reading "Loi Hadopi" as "Hoi polloi"?)
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Old 05-12-2009, 07:23 PM   #216
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:11 PM   #217
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AFP - France's highest legal authority on Wednesday struck down a key provision of a contested Internet piracy law that set up a new state agency to cut off offenders from the web.

The ruling is an embarrassing setback for President Nicolas Sarkozy, who championed the adoption of the tough new legislation last month.

The Constitutional Council ruled that "free access to public communication services on line" was a human right, and that only a judge should have the power to strike an individual from the Internet.

Council members, who include former French presidents, based their ruling on the preamble to the French constitution, which lists freedom of communication and expression as a basic human right.

France's opposition Socialist Party had asked the Council to rule on the constitutional legality of the bill, which won final parliamentary approval on May 13.

One of the toughest ever drafted in the global fight against Internet piracy, the law would punish those who download music and film illegally by shutting down their Internet access for up to a year.

The law approved the set-up of of a state agency known by the acronym Hadopi to track and punish illegal downloaders, serving as a go-between for content providers and Internet service providers.

Under a "three-strikes" system, offenders would first receive an email warning, then a letter and finally lose their Internet account for up to a year if they are caught a third time.

The bill enjoyed broad support from the music and film industry in France and abroad, but was fiercely opposed by consumer groups, the Internet industry and the left-wing opposition.

Opponents said the bill failed to give alleged offenders enough recourse to challenge accusations and argued that web innovations would make it possible for downloaders to avoid detection.
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:18 PM   #218
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finally !!! someone with some sense !!!!! that is excellent news, zero ! thanks for the update !!!!
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Old 06-10-2009, 04:44 PM   #219
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Old 06-10-2009, 06:24 PM   #220
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Yes, but I doubt that it will be the end of this law...
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Yes, but I doubt that it will be the end of this law...
i am sure sarko will continue to try to push it... but between the conseil constitutionnel and the european parliament, i am really confident that it will eventually be killed for good. i only hope it doesn't take too long...
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Old 09-03-2010, 12:16 PM   #225
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"Drew Wilson has been following HADOPI (France's three strikes law) a lot lately, and the latest developments are that the French ISPs and the French government are edging closer to a full-on war over compensation. The French government apparently requested that ISPs send an invoice of the bills after a certain period of time, but the French ISPs don't feel this is good enough — probably because of worries that the compensation the government will ultimately provide won't be enough. The ISPs are demanding adequate compensation, and if the government doesn't give it to them, they simply will not hand over evidence required to enforce HADOPI law. While HADOPI demands that ISPs cooperate, speculation suggests that if the government takes ISPs to court, the ISPs will simply rely on constitutional jurisprudence to shield them from liability (translation)."
Promising, perhaps?
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So the government buckled to pressure from large 'content-producing' corporations - and our only defense is are other large corporations who don't want to comply because it hurts their wallets.
Not because they think its a bad idea, respect their customers or whatever, because it hurts their wallet.
What a giant mess this world is - money driven. When are the revised copyright laws coming out? No there's no large company which wants that, oh allright - Never O'Clock
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