Transferring books from Seller to Buyer of Kindle

cattail1125 · 05-28-2008, 02:50 AM

I purchased a Kindle on Ebay. The seller has purchased several ebooks through Amazon, and I would like to be able to read them. If the seller de-registers the Kindle, then I won't be able to read the books.

What is the best way for the seller to allow me to read the books?

Ervserver · 05-28-2008, 10:38 AM

I don't think there is a way unless you hack them

daffy4u · 05-28-2008, 10:50 AM

I think you should contact Amazon and ask them what you need to do. You should be able to read the books while the Kindle is de-registered (the Kindle doesn't know who's reading it). However, once you register the Kindle with Amazon under your name, who knows what might happen. They could very well disappear.

badgoodDeb · 05-28-2008, 01:09 PM

I agree that you should be able to read the books while the Kindle stays un-registered. I asked Amazon recently how to handle a kid with a Kindle (a kid whom you don't trust with your credit card!) and they said to de-register the Kindle so it couldn't purchase, but could still read. I think that will apply to this case as well. But you'll have to read these before you register and buy anything of your own, cuz they probably will disappear then.

cattail1125 · 05-28-2008, 01:29 PM

I just talked to Amazon Customer Service.

They confirmed, what has been said here, that when I reregister I will lose the books, and there is no way for the seller to transfer the e-book to me, unless he provides the login/pass to his Amazon account. The license of the book prohibits transfers in between accounts.

So it looks like I've two options: either I persuade him to transfer his entire Amazon account to me, or I read the books before I reregister, losing them upon registration.

daffy4u · 05-28-2008, 01:36 PM

May I ask, did you get a good deal and did that deal include the books? No need to tell how much you paid. How many books are on the Kindle?

I ask because depending on the selling price, maybe the seller will refund the cost of any books you would have purchased yourself and will have to re-purchase (if you want to have them in your own library). I'm assuming that you may not be interested in reading all of the books that came with the Kindle.

HarryT · 05-29-2008, 08:43 AM

I'm pretty sure that the Kindle licence agreement specifically states that books cannot be transferred or re-sold. If you "paid" for these books, the seller was acting in violation of the terms of this agreement.

cattail1125 · 05-29-2008, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daffy4u

May I ask, did you get a good deal and did that deal include the books? No need to tell how much you paid. How many books are on the Kindle?

I ask because depending on the selling price, maybe the seller will refund the cost of any books you would have purchased yourself and will have to re-purchase (if you want to have them in your own library). I'm assuming that you may not be interested in reading all of the books that came with the Kindle.

I purchased it for $350 including shipping. He has now said he will give me a $40 Amazon gift certificate to compensate for e-books lost from re-registering.
He has also said that he will transfer me some additional PDF e-books.

daffy4u · 05-29-2008, 03:21 PM

Excellent! Good for you.

HaggisMacJedi · 06-08-2008, 10:22 AM

Yeah, buying the Kindle in Amazon's eyes is like buying a bookshelf. When you buy a bookshelf in a furniture store, it's usually understood that you don't get the nice pretty books that are on it as well, and you are expected to put your own books on it. It's also kind of like buying a used car. When I buy a used car I don't expect to get any of the CD's that might be in it when the owner lets me take a test drive. Heck, I don't even expect the gas to be in it after I buy it.

As long as the internet switch on the back is off, even if the Kindle is re-registered to another user I don't see how the books could be taken off. So I think the issue is not in the registration, but in the EVDO.

BUT...good on the seller for giving you the $40 to Amazon. That was a fair thing to do and I think you both came out on the good end. If the seller ever decides to get another Kindle, he'll still have his books to put in it.

SpiderMatt · 03-23-2009, 04:18 AM

Since mobi DRM relies on a PID and the PID is tied to the device itself, could cattail back the books up on his/her hard drive, register the Kindle, then put the books back on and be able to read them? I don't see why this wouldn't work unless Amazon keeps deleting them every time the Kindle connects to the new Whispernet account. Even then, that could be solved by keeping the wireless off. It wouldn't make sense for Amazon to delete those files, though, because no one had problems when modifying the PID of other mobipocket books. Personally, I would just use the PID to strip the DRM.

05-28-2008, 02:50 AM	#1
cattail1125 Junior Member Posts: 3 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2008 Device: Kindle	Transferring books from Seller to Buyer of Kindle I purchased a Kindle on Ebay. The seller has purchased several ebooks through Amazon, and I would like to be able to read them. If the seller de-registers the Kindle, then I won't be able to read the books. What is the best way for the seller to allow me to read the books? Last edited by cattail1125; 05-28-2008 at 03:04 AM.

05-28-2008, 01:29 PM	#5
cattail1125 Junior Member Posts: 3 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2008 Device: Kindle	Amazon Customer Service I just talked to Amazon Customer Service. They confirmed, what has been said here, that when I reregister I will lose the books, and there is no way for the seller to transfer the e-book to me, unless he provides the login/pass to his Amazon account. The license of the book prohibits transfers in between accounts. So it looks like I've two options: either I persuade him to transfer his entire Amazon account to me, or I read the books before I reregister, losing them upon registration.

05-29-2008, 08:43 AM	#7
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 54,665 Karma: 26165759 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Touch, PW, Fire HD, iPad 3, iPhone 4, Samsung Tab 2 7 + More	I'm pretty sure that the Kindle licence agreement specifically states that books cannot be transferred or re-sold. If you "paid" for these books, the seller was acting in violation of the terms of this agreement. __________________ Harry Currently proofreading The Poison Belt, by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

06-08-2008, 10:22 AM	#10
HaggisMacJedi Zealot Posts: 130 Karma: 1145527 Join Date: Jun 2008 Device: Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 4, iPhone 4	Yeah, buying the Kindle in Amazon's eyes is like buying a bookshelf. When you buy a bookshelf in a furniture store, it's usually understood that you don't get the nice pretty books that are on it as well, and you are expected to put your own books on it. It's also kind of like buying a used car. When I buy a used car I don't expect to get any of the CD's that might be in it when the owner lets me take a test drive. Heck, I don't even expect the gas to be in it after I buy it. As long as the internet switch on the back is off, even if the Kindle is re-registered to another user I don't see how the books could be taken off. So I think the issue is not in the registration, but in the EVDO. BUT...good on the seller for giving you the $40 to Amazon. That was a fair thing to do and I think you both came out on the good end. If the seller ever decides to get another Kindle, he'll still have his books to put in it. __________________ Be responsible for what YOU are responsible for!

03-23-2009, 04:18 AM	#11
SpiderMatt Grand Arbiter Posts: 447 Karma: 1564539 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Arizona Device: iPod Touch, Amazon Kindle, Motorola Droid	Since mobi DRM relies on a PID and the PID is tied to the device itself, could cattail back the books up on his/her hard drive, register the Kindle, then put the books back on and be able to read them? I don't see why this wouldn't work unless Amazon keeps deleting them every time the Kindle connects to the new Whispernet account. Even then, that could be solved by keeping the wireless off. It wouldn't make sense for Amazon to delete those files, though, because no one had problems when modifying the PID of other mobipocket books. Personally, I would just use the PID to strip the DRM. __________________ "I do not speak with any fondness, but the language of coldest history, when I say that Boston commands attention as the town which was appointed in the destiny of nations to lead the civilization of North America." -Ralph Waldo Emerson

05-28-2008, 10:38 AM	#2
Ervserver Wizard Posts: 2,622 Karma: 1008294 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Iowa, USA Device: Sony 505 & HP Touchpad	I don't think there is a way unless you hack them

05-28-2008, 10:50 AM	#3
daffy4u I'm Super Kindle-icious Posts: 6,523 Karma: 1609085 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Long Drive, Calinadia Candafornia Device: K1, KTSO, KFHD, K3, KPW, KDXG, HP Touchpadx2	I think you should contact Amazon and ask them what you need to do. You should be able to read the books while the Kindle is de-registered (the Kindle doesn't know who's reading it). However, once you register the Kindle with Amazon under your name, who knows what might happen. They could very well disappear.

05-28-2008, 01:09 PM	#4
badgoodDeb Wizard Posts: 4,096 Karma: 9501039 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Chicago outskirts Device: Palm-many, Kindle1, K3, iPad, iPhone 4	I agree that you should be able to read the books while the Kindle stays un-registered. I asked Amazon recently how to handle a kid with a Kindle (a kid whom you don't trust with your credit card!) and they said to de-register the Kindle so it couldn't purchase, but could still read. I think that will apply to this case as well. But you'll have to read these before you register and buy anything of your own, cuz they probably will disappear then.

05-28-2008, 01:36 PM	#6
daffy4u I'm Super Kindle-icious Posts: 6,523 Karma: 1609085 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Long Drive, Calinadia Candafornia Device: K1, KTSO, KFHD, K3, KPW, KDXG, HP Touchpadx2	May I ask, did you get a good deal and did that deal include the books? No need to tell how much you paid. How many books are on the Kindle? I ask because depending on the selling price, maybe the seller will refund the cost of any books you would have purchased yourself and will have to re-purchase (if you want to have them in your own library). I'm assuming that you may not be interested in reading all of the books that came with the Kindle.

05-29-2008, 03:21 PM	#9
daffy4u I'm Super Kindle-icious Posts: 6,523 Karma: 1609085 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Long Drive, Calinadia Candafornia Device: K1, KTSO, KFHD, K3, KPW, KDXG, HP Touchpadx2	Excellent! Good for you.

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