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Old 03-16-2009, 03:18 PM   #421
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The Kindle PID and the PID used by the iPhone Kindle software are generated by software. At the moment, the software generates the PID based on a unique hardware ID in the Kindle or iPhone, but Amazon could change the way the PID is generated with a firmware update at any time.

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I don't think Amazon can change the PID on the hardware, I believe this is the same reason why, if you deauthorize your Kindle and sell it to someone else, they get all the ebooks that remain on the device. Same thing with the iPhone/iPodTouch - that serial number's hard coded. (Until they change their their DRM scheme).

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:33 PM   #422
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The Kindle PID and the PID used by the iPhone Kindle software are generated by software. At the moment, the software generates the PID based on a unique hardware ID in the Kindle or iPhone, but Amazon could change the way the PID is generated with a firmware update at any time.
They could but they almost certainly won't. The amount of work required would be huge.

Since Amazon's DRM format (azw) is based upon Mobipocket DRM, we can be fairly certain that the .azw books are also encrypted the same way - with a PID. They'd have to reissue a new Kindle firmware, and also change the internal Amazon server encryption code. Depending on how they did it, they'd have to re-issue all of the old books or make both PID methods work at the same time.

After they did all that, it'd take a tiny effort to make a new kindlepid.py that accounted for the new scheme.

They'd be much better served to use the new 'unbreakable' format that I keep hearing about, Topaz. They would honestly just be better served to get rid of DRM altogether. Because Topaz will be broken next, so will Topaz 2, Topaz 3....
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:35 PM   #423
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On top of all THAT, I think the Amazon store stands pretty well on its own. It's easier just to buy Kindle books from them than to pirate, based on ease of use and low cost. The DRM isn't even necessary in my opinion, at this point it's just bullying.
This is an excellent point, and one I wish Amazon (and its lawyers) would take more note of.
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:58 PM   #424
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The Kindle PID and the PID used by the iPhone Kindle software are generated by software. At the moment, the software generates the PID based on a unique hardware ID in the Kindle or iPhone, but Amazon could change the way the PID is generated with a firmware update at any time.
A good reason to stay away from Whispernet!
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:58 PM   #425
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If Amazon had a clue, they would have modified the Serial Number to PID algorithm before releasing the iPhone software. Then KindlePID (with minor updates) would not have worked. The fact that they already knew (or should have known) that KindlePID would generate the PID weakens their case if KindlePID ever ends up in court.

I agree with pdurrant that Amazon could easily introduce a new Serial Number to PID scheme at any time, all it would require is a firmware update and redownloading all existing DRMed Kindle ebooks with the new PID. They could even modify AZW encryption (change it from MOBI encryption), which would close the OverDrive loophole completely and also prevent mobidedrm from working on AZW files. This is an advantage that a single-provider has over DRMed content which isn't easily available to multi-sourced content.

Since the PID was not designed by MobiPocket to be "secret", I doubt any PID modification would remain a mystery for very long. Modifying the encryption scheme would stop mobidedrm in its tracks, but I would not be surprised to see an azwdedrm within a few days of the change.
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:20 PM   #426
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Single case specifically dealing with software, as far as I know.

Vernor vs Autodesk
Thanks. It was as I feared, just a US District Court case. It has no real value in terms of establishing rights except as between the parties directly involved. It would have more force if it were a 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decision.
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Old 03-16-2009, 06:38 PM   #427
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Now I'm VERY glad I didn't buy a K2! This is exactly the mentality I feared Amazon had, even though they are just now fully showing their true colors. Whatever device I buy will support multiple non-drm formats. I'm holding out to see what the Hanlin/BeBook 2 looks like.

And FYI, I'm another of those that had no idea that script existed until I read this story. lol So GREAT JOB Amazon! Thanks for helping spread the word about the tools that give people their freedom back.
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Old 03-17-2009, 01:14 AM   #428
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I know this much. I was going to order a K2 on Tuesday night. Now I'm going to buy a Sony Reader.
Well, I made that decision without Amazon's "help," but I feel pretty much the same way. And it will impact my buying decisions involving future purchases on Amazon, whether of books or other items.

I think that Amazon believes that ease of use will overcome negative goodwill, so that it can pretty much dictate to its customers on a take it or leave it basis. But everyone knows that the only company whose product is THAT good is Apple!

I think I'll mosey on over to Amazon and erase all my reviews...
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Old 03-17-2009, 03:11 AM   #429
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Thanks. It was as I feared, just a US District Court case. It has no real value in terms of establishing rights except as between the parties directly involved. It would have more force if it were a 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decision.
The foundation case used to make the ruling, US vs Wise, is a 9th Circuit case. That's the one that established "if you don't have to give it back, it was a sale, not a lease or use license, regardless of what's written on the receipt." It dealt with films, which come out very close to ebooks, video games or software packages: you could use them by yourself, or you could share them, or give them away/sell them when you no longer have a need/interest.
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Old 03-17-2009, 09:56 AM   #430
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Old 03-17-2009, 02:11 PM   #431
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I was waffling back and forth - my sister-in-law has a K2 and my brother was raving about it. However since she works for Amazon and not on the ground floor I can see why they are for it.
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Old 03-17-2009, 07:37 PM   #432
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I was waffling back and forth - my sister-in-law has a K2 and my brother was raving about it. However since she works for Amazon and not on the ground floor I can see why they are for it.
You couldn't get your sister to talk to Jess Bezos and make him see sense?
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Old 03-17-2009, 09:25 PM   #433
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This news has spread quite a bit (as a simple Google search will indicate) ... so Amazon must be getting some bad press.

Wonder (but not holding my breath) if they are preparing to issue some kind of an official response to deal with this PR nightmare.

Or may be they have become THAT arrogant to believe they have the market captured enough to be able to afford ignoring the bad press this issue is generating.

Curious mind wants to know which of these cases this is !
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Old 03-18-2009, 02:13 PM   #435
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Kindle DRM restricts usage of Periodicals purchased from Amazon

New to the Forum, but I was hoping someone might have a suggestion on how to resolve this issue.
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I posted this on Kindle discussion forum on Amazon. Have also called their customer service and they say, that's the way it is.

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If your Kindle 1 breaks or you purchase a Kindle 2 all your Newspaper and Magazine issues will be UNREADABLE on the replacement or new device.

First, Amazon does not archive Newspaper and Magazine issues in your account for more that a few issues unlike when you purchase books.

It is up to you to back up NPs and Magazines onto your computer to archive, for example The Wall Street Journal.

Here is the rub. Should you loose, receive a replacement Kindle (warranty or otherwise) or purchase a Kindle 2 ALL past issues of Newspapers or Magazines that were downloaded to the original Kindle will be UNREADABLE on any subsequent Kindle even though it is registered to your account.

Think about this for a moment. You BUY these periodicals and obtain the rights for your use, but if you purchase or replace your Kindle you have no further rights to read past issues YOU bought and paid for.

One better hope that their Kindle never breaks because Amazon does not repair YOUR Kindle they replace it with another. Therefore no more use of your periodicals.

Sound absurd? Well it is true. So much for a reference library.

On one hand you can purchase a hard copy of a magazine or newspaper and let 1000 people read it, but now it turns out you can't even read a copy of the very one YOU purchased.

For all the good that has come out of Kindle it amazes me some of the stupidity that has been built in to their policies
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